Derichebourg: Family-Owned Cyclical Opportunity with Secular Growth

October 31, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Juan Huerta de Soto of Cobas Asset Management presented his investment thesis on Derichebourg (France: DBG) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Derichebourg is a French-listed leader in scrap metal recycling with #1 market positions in France (~40% share) and Spain. Juan notes this core business, representing 90% of EBITDA, possesses high barriers to entry based on regional economies of scale, a dense network that is difficult to replicate organically, and a highly regulated environment that advantages incumbents. The company also operates a smaller, stable public sector services business (10% of EBITDA) and holds a 48.3% stake in Elior Group, a separate, publicly-traded catering company.

The thesis is supported by a family-run management team with long-term alignment; the Derichebourg family owns 41% of the company. Juan highlights the team’s operational expertise, led by Chairman Daniel Derichebourg and Deputy CEO Abderrahmane El Aoufir, who has been with the company for over 40 years. Capital allocation is focused on disciplined M&A at cycle bottoms to gain market share and the payment of dividends.

Juan argues that the inherent cyclicality of the recycling business, which is tied to macroeconomic activity for both scrap supply and end-market demand, provides the mispricing and attractive entry point. The company mitigates this volatility by increasingly focusing on higher-margin, non-ferrous “niche” businesses. The 48.3% stake in Elior, which Juan believes the market ascribes no value to, also adds a non-cyclical, asset-light business. The recent restructuring of Elior is now complete, with margins and FCF improving, and a potential dividend from Elior could serve as a catalyst for Derichebourg.

The core recycling segment is also supported by a long-term secular growth trend, as EU regulations favor scrap metal recycling to meet energy transition and CO2 emission reduction goals. Using scrap is substantially less energy- and carbon-intensive than primary mining, with Juan noting an 86% reduction in CO2 emissions for steel produced via scrap-EAF.

The shares recently traded at a very attractive valuation. Juan calculates that after deducting the market value of the Elior stake, Derichebourg trades at approximately 2x EV/EBITDA and 4-5x P/FCF. This is a steep discount to its closest publicly traded peer, Sims (7.5x EV/EBITDA and 14x P/FCF), and the recent M&A transaction for peer Radius (8x EV/EBITDA and 12x P/FCF).

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About the instructor:

Juan Huerta de Soto Huarte is a member of the Investment Team at Cobas Asset Management. Juan started his career as a buy-side analyst at Bestinver Asset management, which he later continued at azValor Asset Management. Juan is a non-executive Director of España S.A., a 95-year-old life insurance Spanish Company. Having taken a double degree in Law and Business Administration at the Universidad Complutense of Madrid, he was awarded a master’s degree in Austrian Economics by the Universidad Rey Juan Carlos. Additionally, Juan is an Adjunct Professor of Finance at Instituto de Empresa (IE) University in Madrid.

Westwing: Shareholder-Friendly Online Retailer With Margin Upside

October 31, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts

Brad Hathaway of Far View Capital Management presented his investment thesis on Westwing Group (Germany: WEW) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Westwing is a European direct-to-consumer online home furnishings retailer operating in 22 countries. Founded in Germany in 2011, the company uses a content-led strategy to drive strong user engagement and cohort economics, with 80% of orders coming from repeat customers. It targets a premium “masstige” position with a primarily female customer base. Westwing is exiting a multi-year transformation that unified its commercial model, reduced costs, and migrated its backend to an external SaaS platform, creating a more scalable foundation.

Brad believes an opportunity exists as the industry begins a cyclical recovery from a post-COVID downturn. This downturn improved WEW’s competitive environment, as key online competitors like Made.com have liquidated and Wayfair has exited the German market. Westwing is positioned as a survivor ready to take share in an upturn. Furthermore, the company’s progress is currently obscured in its 2025 financials.

2025 results are artificially depressed, masking the transformation’s success. The company’s upgrade to a more premium, globalized product assortment creates a temporary headwind, resulting in flat revenue guidance (FY25: -4% to +2% yoy). Simultaneously, 2025 EBITDA margins (guided 6% to 8%) are hampered by ramp-up costs from an accelerated expansion into 10 new countries. Brad anticipates an inflection in 2026, driven by the scaling of these new markets and the continued growth of the high-margin “Westwing Collection” private label, which reached 65% of GMV in Q2 2025.

The long-tenured management team, led by CEO Andreas Hoerning and founder Delia Lachance, is long-term oriented, evidenced by multiple insider purchases. Capital allocation is a key strength. The company executed a tender offer in November 2024 — an unconventional move for a German company — and holds 9.9% of shares in Treasury. This shareholder-friendly approach is expected to continue once technical limitations on share retirement are resolved in 2026.

The shares recently traded at under €12. He sees downside protection at €9-€10, a valuation based on a 4x multiple of 2025 guided EBITDA (approx. €35M) and an 8% FCF yield, supported by a strong balance sheet with ~€50M in net cash. Conversely, Brad calculates an upside potential of ~€45 per share. This target is based on a 2028 scenario assuming a return to double-digit growth and >10% EBITDA margins, applying a 12x EBITDA multiple to ~€69M of EBITDA. This remains below the company’s mid-term aspiration for 15% EBITDA margins.

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Brad Hathaway: I always appreciate what you’ve built here and how useful it is for all of us.

The company I’m going to present today is Westwing Group. Just first off, our disclaimer. Far View owns shares in Westwing. We may change that position at any time. My information is what I believe to be true, but obviously I may have made mistakes, so please do your own due diligence.

What is Westwing? Westwing is a European direct-to-consumer online home furnishing retailer. The unique things about Westwing is its content-led strategy leads to very strong user engagement and great cohort economics.

Why is this position potentially interesting? First off, the industry has been struggling from a cyclical downturn post-COVID that they’re just beginning to see the recovery of. Obviously during the coronavirus, a lot of people over-indexed their purchasing to home furnishing. They bought a lot of rugs and lamps and stuff to decorate their living space because everyone was at home. That led to a significant downturn in the industry as people’s purchasing patterns normalized post-pandemic.

One of the good things about the pandemic, though, is it materially improved Westwing’s competitive environment. Whereas previously they had a lot of well-funded, aggressive competitors, now many of those competitors have left the market, leaving them in a better position for the upturn.

They also used the downturn to do a multi-year strategic transformation, which has greatly simplified and improved the underlying business foundation. As a result of that better foundation, they’ve actually begun to significantly expand into multiple new countries in Europe in 2025.

However, this improved business performance has not actually shown up yet fully in the 2025 results due to the transition and the ending of the transformation, which has artificially depressed those results. We’re getting… the progress has been made, but you actually don’t quite see it in the numbers yet.

Just briefly, how do we think about the upside here? If they return to double-digit top-line growth and get to improved EBITDA margins, I could see the stock easily getting to 45 euros a share versus the price of sub 12 as of 10/23.

Flipping that around, on the downside, I think Westwing has a very strong balance sheet with a substantial net cash position. They’ve proven to be shareholder-friendly with that cash, and they also have a very sticky customer base. That combined with their valuation on their 2025 results should provide solid downside protection at 9 to 10 euros a share.

Obviously there are risks. One risk is that the online home furnishing addressable market in Europe is smaller than we expect. They also still are exiting this transformation, so perhaps they could miss guidance on near-term results. If they make mistakes with their content or brand, given their emotional attachment with their customers, that could be damaging. They also could have logistics issues; these are challenging things to ship. Finally, a continued or worsening European economic downturn could hurt consumer demand. Obviously there are probably other risks outside of this as well.

In more detail, here’s a brief business overview on Westwing. They sell home furnishings in 22 countries in Europe to over 1.2 million customers. It is a premium assortment, so upper middle class and above, and it’s mainly a female customer base. It’s mainly home décor, so it’s a lot of lamps and decorations, but they do also sell things like couches and rugs.

It’s a very loyal customer base. 80% of their orders come from repeat customers. They used to talk about a metric: 90% of their customers would visit either the email or the site at least once a week. There’s a tremendous amount of customer interaction with their content.

Home furnishing is obviously a very large addressable market, and it is still shifting online. In Europe, this shift is still well behind where we are in the US. Westwing currently only has 0.3% market share of this 150 billion addressable market. The market has been aggressively moving online, and there’s still substantial room for it to move online in the future.

One of the nice things about the downturn, if you can call it that, is the competitive environment for Westwing has substantially improved. If you look back during COVID, they had multiple venture-backed players and well-funded players, including Made.com, Wayfair, and Home24, who were all aggressively competing. Made.com was probably their closest competitor. It’s a UK company that during COVID started to aggressively expand into their core European markets. But they ended up getting massively over-inventoried and didn’t fix their cost structure. In 2022, they actually liquidated.

Home24 was another German e-commerce player, a lower quality player than Westwing, but they were still a competitor. They had to be rescued by a brick-and-mortar player, XXXLutz, in April 2023, and they’re not nearly as aggressively investing in online anymore.

There have also been some shuttering of brick-and-mortar chains like Depot and Opti-Wohnwelt, who filed for insolvency.

Finally, US competitor Wayfair, in the COVID period was substantially investing in European marketing and really trying to make a push there. They’ve been pulling back on this marketing investment for multiple years now, and they actually exited the German market at the start of 2025. If we look at it going forward, many of these well-funded competitors are no longer there just as the industry is about to enter an upturn. That should allow Westwing to take substantial incremental market share as demand recovers.

The other interesting thing about Westwing is the Westwing Collection, which is effectively their private label brand. It’s become a significant portion of their revenue base, representing roughly two-thirds now at the most recent quarter. It’s very well regarded by their customers. It is their best sellers, well reviewed. Private label makes a tremendous amount of sense in the furnishing industry because you have a very fragmented supplier base who don’t generally have that strong brand. It provides Westwing substantial bargaining power and the ability to use their brand as the leading way to approach customers. Collection revenue has done very well, consistently growing at high double-digit rates, and they are significantly more profitable than the third-party product for Westwing. Continued shifts in this direction will help margins.

As I mentioned at the beginning, Westwing is very focused on content. They are the largest home and living brand on Instagram with 8.6 million followers, and they have over 13 million followers on social media. Unlike a lot of their competitors, they actually produce… they have internal studios where they produce their own content. They’re taking their own pictures of their products as opposed to using stock photos like a Wayfair. That allows them to much more attractively place their higher-end products for their customer base and create substantial content that leads to this repeat customer interaction that drives this long-term sticky relationship.

One of the great opportunities here is they have 8.6 million followers on Instagram but 1.2 million customers, and 13 million if you think about all social media. There’s a huge market that already knows who Westwing is and already is interacting with their content that actually isn’t shopping there yet. As Westwing continues to improve their commercial operation, there’s room to substantially increase their customer market share.

The other interesting thing here is Westwing used the downturn to do a substantial shift of their business. In 2022, the company had basically two business models. They had Westwing club, which was more of a daily deal type model, and then the normal e-commerce model. Both of those had fully separate tech stacks and fully separate commercial operations, which was wildly inefficient. In 2022-2023, they combined those together in the one Westwing commercial model, which greatly simplified the business and allowed them to benefit more from their scale.

They also took a significant organizational rightsizing and cost reduction, which fixed their cost base for the new demand environment and left them in the position to play offense when the business improved, as opposed to their competitors that were slower to react and ended up getting in trouble as we discussed before.

This was the first step. The second step was they worked to build a scalable platform. They changed their product assortment to move it up market and into the more premium area. They also transitioned their back end to an external SAS provider, Shopify, who significantly improved their commercial operations. Listening to the management team describe it shows how logical they are. They, as they put it, “When we were founded in 2011, building our own e-commerce engine was a true differentiator for us, but at this point now given the quality of the external tools, it no longer became a point of differentiation.” So they decided it was better to outsource to someone with greater resources. Again, a very logical decision.

These improvements have set the company up to now begin scaling again in 2025. They’ve started with a significant country expansion; they’re working to increase their market share, which should allow them to grow their top line with expanding margins.

The first step of this is substantially expanding the countries they’re in. At the beginning of the year, they planned to roll out to 5 to 10 new countries in fiscal 2025. They’ve actually had really strong initial results, so they’ve already done the 10 countries year to date. They still have substantial room to expand to other European countries, and that is on the plan. This will give them a much bigger addressable market to attack and more room to grow with their existing improved commercial operation.

But the good thing is these improvements haven’t yet shown up in the results, which might explain why the stock is mispriced. In 2024, Westwing made the choice to upgrade and globalize the product assortment. Basically they went to a more premium model and they centralized more of the assortment as opposed to having more unique things in Italy and unique things in Spain. As a result, this has hurt 2025 revenue. They have talked roughly as it being a mid-single digit, mid- to high-single digit impact to revenue. As opposed to flat revenue guidance, you’d think that pro forma for this growth would have been mid- to high-single digits. You can see generally they’ve been very much at the higher end of their guidance for the last few years. I think they guide relatively conservatively.

They’ve also hampered the EBITDA margins. While the guidance for this year has substantially better EBITDA margins, they’re actually not as good as they probably should be because there are ramp-up costs for each of the 10 new countries they entered during the year. Initial marketing spend is less efficient as you have to build a customer base and bring your brand to customers who don’t know them. This massive country expansion has had a significant impact on 2025 EBITDA margins.

If you look at the change from the local assortment (which was very inefficient) and also the drag from that to the top line, the drag to the margins from the country expansion, you could actually argue that 2025 results should be much higher than what they have guided for.

As a result of this, they started to talk qualitatively about 2026. Revenue growth, now once they’re past the assortment change, should accelerate in 2026. They should also get the benefit from the country expansion because a lot of the countries in 2025 were launched in the middle of the year and they also take a long time to ramp. They should actually scale in 2026, allowing for substantially faster growth.

They have talked about an ambition of upper single to double digit growth in 2026. Again, I believe based on my history here that they generally guide quite conservatively. They also talk about improvements in profitability in 2026. While the country expansion hampers margins, these countries tend to be profitable quite quickly. The first country they entered was Portugal and while it was loss-making initially, it became profitable within one year. They’ve commented that they really believe they have a clear path to a 10% plus EBITDA margin.

This management team is long-tenured and, in my opinion, I hold them in very high regard. Delia Lachance is the Chief Creative Officer. She was the founder, and I would consider her the creative muse for the company. Her Instagram following is substantial as well and she’s considered a style leader in Europe. Andreas Hoerning is now the CEO. He was previously the Chief Commercial Officer, and he was responsible for the Westwing Collection, which I think will be a driver of substantial success. Sebastian Westrich also has e-commerce experience previously. All of them have impressed me with their focus; they’ve been willing to take near-term pain with a focus on generating long-term returns. I think they have a great long-term orientation. They’ve also bought shares in the company multiple times over the past couple years.

Again, another example: their capital allocation has been very strong. They’re shareholder friendly. While they have had excess cash, they initially did a normal repurchase of shares, which was somewhat limited by the volume in the market. In November 2024, they announced a tender offer for 6% of the shares outstanding. This is actually pretty outside-the-box thinking for a German company because tender offers are not widely used there. It shows their willingness to think in an aggressive, shareholder-friendly manner.

At this point, they actually own almost 10% of the company in Treasury, which is what they’re limited to own. They will either have to start retiring some shares, which they can’t do quite yet, but they should be able to do in 2026. That will also give them some room to repurchase more shares.

They’re also willing to talk about how they think the share price is undervalued. In recent decks, they’ve started talking about their valuation based on analyst consensus. They’ve also talked about and shown how they’ve cut the number of shares in circulation. Again, these are relatively abnormal things for a European company. They are thinking on behalf of shareholders.

How do we think about the upside valuation here? Again, we think about this concept in a three-year time frame out to 2028. I think they could return to consistent double-digit growth and recovery of EBITDA margins above 10%. That would give us just under 69 million-ish of EBITDA in this analysis and 45 million of free cash flow. If we think about a 12x EBITDA multiple, 5% free cash flow yield, that would be 45 a share, which is almost 4x the current 12 euro share price.

The interesting thing is that is not… that should in no way be the end state here. They will still have less than 1% market share in a market that’s continued to shift online. The EBITDA margins will be well below their 15% aspiration. There are actually arguments for that aspiration to be very correct. While granted these were COVID boosted, in a period of high demand during COVID, their core Germanic regions (Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, which they call their DACH region) did a high teens EBITDA margin. When they’ve had the volume, they’ve proven the ability to get above 15% EBITDA margins before. I would argue the business is better now given the increased private label and the much improved commercial engine.

This 15% mid-term aspiration is highly achievable if they can get the top line to grow again. We think about this: these multiples… if people start to believe that this is a double-digit top-line grower with expanding margins, it’s a capital-light business, they have a unique competitive position. These are the businesses that when they come into favor, they actually have the potential to have substantial margins.

As a reminder, these numbers are based on my assumptions, so they may not be correct. Again, please do your own due diligence.

The nice thing also is there should be strong downside support here. The company has roughly 50 million euros of net cash. They have been willing, as we’ve seen, to use that for shareholder-friendly uses. They’ve been willing to repurchase shares. I think they will again as soon as they get the treasury shares lower. They have a sticky, very loyal customer base, and again, a capital-light business.

If we think about the 2025 guidance, and you put a 4x EBITDA multiple on it and an 8% free cash flow yield, that’s roughly 9 to 10 euros a share, which is not too far below the 12 euros a share where they trade currently. Again, these are based on my numbers and please do your own diligence.

Again, just to address the risks. The addressable market might be a lot smaller because e-commerce doesn’t pick up as much in Europe. Their higher-end design-led niche is smaller than we expect, but again, they have such a fraction that I think we’re a ways from that being a problem. A big, challenging risk to me could be if they somehow screw up their brand or their content asset. Because they have such an emotional relationship with their customers, there is the possibility that people could turn against them quickly if they ended up ruining that brand.

Obviously, economic recessions are challenging. Trade war can hurt the supply chain, but they have a pretty diverse supply chain. A lot of it is European-based. Obviously, as it’s been a challenge, European small-cap companies have been out of favor for a very long time. That may continue, and that’s maybe challenging for people to buy this.

Overall, I think Westwing represents an opportunity to invest in a competitively advantaged leader in an industry that has been out of favor for a while, is starting to turn around, and is still shifting online. The company has exited a substantial commercial transformation and is now primed to really play offense and grow. Investors are perhaps missing this because those results are not readily apparent in the existing numbers due to some overhangs that should dissipate. But as we move forward to 2026, the strength of this business should become more readily apparent. The company should again have the capacity to repurchase more shares. I think there’s the potential for this to substantially revalue from here.

John Mihaljevic: Please talk a bit more about new customer acquisition. Obviously it’s very nice that they have a lot of repeat customers, and that probably brings their costs down. How do they go about acquiring new customers and what do we know about the economics there?

Brad: The new customer acquisition… obviously there’s normal performance marketing, but what they’ve started to do in 2024 was invest in brand marketing. They started doing some brand marketing in the Germanic markets and it actually went really well. Their unaided brand awareness increased, their brand perception increased, and they saw an acceleration in growth in the Germanic markets (again, Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, which they call their DACH region). They saw that accelerate ahead of the other European markets that they’re in.

They’ve started to increase brand as a percent of their marketing mix, and that has also helped them accelerate growth. The challenge for them again is turning people who just enjoy their content into people who really want to shop there. One of the big things they think the Westwing Collection will do… previously they had to split their marketing and their customer experience into two very separate channels. But now by unifying them, they think it’ll be a much more efficient customer acquisition channel.

With 30-plus percent contribution margins and long customer lives, the lifetime value of these customers is very high. I think while I don’t have a full-on LTV to CAC calculation, I’m confident that it would be highly attractive marketing. Now that they’ve exited this- transformation and the end market is starting to show signs of life for the first time, they are ready to invest in growth, both in new countries and in the countries they’re existing.

John: What would be the key data points to keep an eye on going forward to gauge how the thesis is playing out?

Brad: I would argue that they have proven that the margins can increase. They went from effectively EBITDA break-even to this year’s guidance is 6 to 8% EBITDA margins. They’ve proven that even without a lot of top-line growth, the guidance can increase. What they need to prove now is that the top line will also grow.

They would argue that it’s already growing if you adjust for the assortment shift challenges that they’ve faced. That is also shown in the Westwing Collection doing high double-digit growth. They would argue they’ve proven they can grow, but we haven’t seen that show up in the true top-line numbers.

I think as you exit 2025 and into 2026, one of the most important things to see will be that acceleration in top-line growth because A) it is obviously good to grow revenue. But B) the way margins grow from 10% to 15% will be increased scaling of their fixed costs. Growing the top line is a really critical driver here.

John: Could you talk a bit more about how you see the capital allocation mix going forward? What can we expect as shareholders?

Brad: They have been very aggressive at buying their shares through the downturn. They bought shares in a normal buyback for a while, but due to volume limitations, that wasn’t an effective use of capital. They did a tender and got 6% of their stock in November 2024. Again, that’s very abnormal for a German company. It shows that they’re willing to be shareholder-friendly.

Right now, they’re a little bit stuck due to some technical reasons. Due to the multi-year nature of the downturn, they need to rebuild equity a little bit more before they can retire shares. They have 9.9% of the stock in Treasury. They’re not allowed to have over 10%. They are a little bit limited in 2025. They expect the equity… if you look at it… should rebuild by early 2026. That would allow them to retire some of these shares and give them more flexibility to repurchase more shares in the future. But they have certainly shown a willingness to be very shareholder-friendly. Once they get past some of these technical limitations, I would expect them to do that again.

John: Looking, let’s say five years out, what’s your vision for this business in terms of the sustainable growth that they may be able to achieve?

Brad: I think they benefit from several things. One is, again, the shift from offline to online in home furnishing. Europe is well behind the US in that. That’s one thing. The second thing… that should be a driver of growth. They also should benefit, again, from growing these additional countries and eventually expanding to the rest of Europe. That would be another driver of growth.

The third thing is I expect they will continue to gain market share in the online home furnishing area because A) their competitors have been weakened substantially. And B) they are now a much better e-commerce experience than they were before the one Westwing change, before the Shopify move. It’s now a much more efficient online engine. I expect them to gain market share.

As a result of all those things, I expect them to grow double digits for several years because again, even on my 2028 numbers, they’re at less than 1% market share of a market that they should have a substantial share of. I think they have a long runway for significant growth.

Given their history, I would argue that they are in the mid-term quite likely to hit this 15% EBITDA margin aspiration. There’s an argument where you could eventually see this as a billion euro revenue company doing 150 million of EBITDA. CapEx is roughly 2% of sales. You could argue that they could do over 100 million euros of free cash flow on less than 20 million shares, so over 5 euros a share of free cash flow, and you could put whatever multiple you feel is prudent on that.

John: Thanks again for joining us and articulating this investment thesis to fellow members.

About the instructor:

Brad Hathaway is the Managing Partner of Far View Capital Management, an investment firm based in Aspen, Colorado. Before founding Far View Capital Management in 2011, Mr. Hathaway worked for four years at J. Goldman & Company, a New York City-based hedge fund. At J. Goldman, Mr. Hathaway worked as an analyst and a portfolio manager on the firm’s value team. His role there included sourcing and analyzing investment opportunities and managing a portfolio of global securities from multiple asset classes with a focus on US publicly-traded equities. Prior to J. Goldman, Mr. Hathaway worked for three years as an analyst at Tocqueville Asset Management where he discovered and researched global long and short equity investments for the International Value mutual fund and the Global Partners hedge fund. Mr. Hathaway graduated with a B.A. in Political Science from Yale University. He is a board member of CDON AB, a Nordic 3P e-commerce marketplace listed on the Swedish stock exchange.

Mayr-Melnhof: Undervalued, as Strategic Pivot Signals Inflection Point

October 31, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Shaun Heelan of Maat Investment Group presented his investment thesis on Mayr-Melnhof Karton AG (Austria: MMK) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Mayr-Melnhof Karton is a dominant Austrian paper and packaging producer historically run as a conservative, low-leverage family business (58% foundation-owned). This changed in 2020 when new management, led by CEO Peter Oswald, pivoted to an aggressive growth strategy, undertaking a major capex program and M&A splurge. The company moved into virgin fiber (FBB) cartonboard and expanded its packaging division, funded by debt. This shift coincided with “Goldilocks” COVID-era conditions, which saw demand and pricing explode, leading to peak earnings in 2022 and Mr. Oswald being named CEO of the year.

Following the 2022 peak, MMK faced a confluence of negative factors. The Ukraine war eliminated 10% of industry demand (Russia) and spiked energy costs just as the company’s hedges rolled off. Simultaneously, a massive post-COVID destocking cycle by customers reversed the demand boom. This occurred just as MMK and competitors (like Stora Enso) brought new capacity online, causing industry utilization to collapse to 40-year lows (below 70%) and MMK’s EBIT per ton to turn negative in 2023. With leverage peaking at over 3.5x net debt/EBITDA, the market feared a dilutive rights issue, and the share price fell to an all-time low.

The market is overlooking a decisive “strategic pivot” and the cyclical nature of the industry. The family foundation stepped in late last year, forcing a volte-face: MMK is now de-emphasizing M&A and cutting capex to maintenance levels. The company is actively deleveraging, proven by the sale of its TANN assets for ~€494m (nearly double their 2018 purchase price). Shaun argues the capacity issue is temporary, with utilization already recovering to over 80% and competitors shutting down inefficient plants. He notes MMK has a moat in its “grandfathered” recycled plants, which are protected by NIMBY issues. As a strong signal of a trough, the company initiated its third-ever share buyback (up to 5%, capped at €80), and Shaun expects a substantial dividend increase as leverage falls below 2.0x.

Shaun believes the company is substantially undervalued, with a normalized EV of €4.4bn to €6.2bn, compared to its recent EV of €2.7bn. The valuation is supported by a sum-of-the-parts analysis, valuing the cartonboard assets at €1.4bn-€2.0bn and the packaging division at €3.0bn-€4.2bn. This packaging valuation is validated by the recent TANN asset sale at 11.2x EBITDA, a stark contrast to the entire group’s recent multiple of <6x TTM EBITDA. On a normalized basis, Shaun estimates MMK trades at 4.5x EV/EBITDA. He sees a base case price of €118 (at 6x 2028E EBITDA) and a bull case of €160 (at 8x), with downside protection from the 58% family ownership (no take-under risk) and the new buyback program.

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Shaun Heelan brings over 20 years of investment experience across a broad range of asset classes. His career spans both the sell-side and buy-side, covering everything from highly liquid instruments to complex, illiquid assets. Known for his disciplined investment process and strong risk management, Shaun’s expertise has shaped MAAT’s philosophy and long-term approach.

Valentum sobre Dominion Energy

October 31, 2025 in Ideas de inversión, MOI Global en Español

NOTA DEL EDITOR: Esta idea de inversión es obtenida de una carta a los inversores de Valentum Asset Management.

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Dominion Energy (NYSE: D) lleva en cartera desde su escisión de CIE Automotive en 2016. Desde entonces la compañía ha crecido su EBITDA a un a tasa anual compuesta de más del 15%, o lo que es lo mismo, un 212% en total (incluyendo adquisiciones).

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Marex: Niche Leader in Consolidating Financial Services Market

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Daniel Gladiš of Vltava Fund presented his investment thesis on Marex Group (US: MRX) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Marex is a UK-based global financial services platform providing essential market access, liquidity, and infrastructure for institutional clients in the energy, commodity, and financial markets. The company operates four interconnected segments: Clearing Services, Agency & Execution, Market Making, and Hedging & Investment Solutions. Marex serves ~5,000 active clients and is positioned as a key provider for medium-sized funds, occupying a niche underserved by the largest banks (who require high commission minimums) and smaller independents (who lack global coverage).

The investment thesis rests on high barriers to entry and a favorable, consolidating competitive landscape. It took Marex nearly a decade from its founding to build its initial, small business, highlighting the difficulty of scaling in this space. Competitive intensity has declined, with the number of Futures Commission Merchants (FCMs) falling by about 50% since 2002 while client assets have grown. This consolidation has allowed Marex to become a top-10 FCM in the U.S. by client assets. Unlike most peers, Marex and its closest competitor, StoneX, are among the few players offering a comprehensive suite across all four service segments .

Marex benefits from long-term secular trends, including the increasing demand for cleared products and derivatives and the general expansion of financial and commodity markets. Near-term business drivers include higher interest rates and market volatility, making the stock an effective bet on future volatility. Growth is achieved through a combination of organic initiatives and a disciplined M&A strategy, with a target 60/40 organic/inorganic mix. Transformative acquisitions like ED&F Man and the TD Cowen prime brokerage business have expanded its customer base and service offering, driving strong client growth; clients generating >$1M in revenue grew at a 54% CAGR from 2021-2024 .

The company has a 10-year track record of strong profit growth through varied market conditions, growing Adjusted PBT from $16 million in 2014 to $321 million in 2024. The business is also becoming more stable; while average monthly PBT has grown, its standard deviation has not grown proportionally, making earnings more predictable. The balance sheet appears highly leveraged, but ~80% of assets are driven by client activity and net out, leaving a modest residual balance sheet. Marex maintains an investment grade rating and strong regulatory capital ratios (2.42x the requirement). FCF conversion is high, in the mid-90% range.

The opportunity exists because Marex is a UK-based, financial small-cap ($2.2 billion market cap) with a short public history, making it ignored by passive strategies and difficult for outsiders to assess. A recent short report, viewed by the presenter as a “non-issue”, has also applied pressure to the stock. Based on UBS projections, the shares recently traded around $30, or approximately 7.7x 2025E earnings. These consensus estimates forecast ~10% annual EPS growth based only on organic expansion, and crucially, they do not include any contribution from future M&A . This omission suggests current earnings projections may underestimate the company’s true growth potential.

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The following transcript has been edited for space and clarity.

Daniel Gladiš: This is my 14th consecutive presentation at the European Investing Summit, and it’s always a highlight of the year for me.

The company I’m going to talk about is called Marex, or Marex Group. It’s a small UK company with a market capitalization of about 2.2 billion. It’s listed on Nasdaq and it was started 20 years ago, but it’s been listed only for 18 months, so it’s a relatively unknown company. I watched their Investors Day six or seven months ago and they had very detailed presentations. I used some of those slides to accompany my talk.

During their presentation, they used this quote from one of their investors saying that it is extremely rare to see a small-cap financials company that has a genuine source of sustainable competitive advantage. I completely agree with that, and it summarizes what I think about Marex.

What does Marex do? Marex is a global financial services platform. It provides access to markets, provides liquidity, provides infrastructure services, and not only in financial markets but also for markets in commodities and energy markets. It has about 5,000 clients, so it’s not a retail broker or retail service company. It services only institutions. It has offices in 40 countries around the world. It covers 60 exchanges, all the main exchanges in the world. In the first half of the year, it had about 1 billion dollars of revenues and about 200 million of pre-tax profit.

Their business has four parts. The first one is clearing services, where they provide connectivity to main global exchanges for their customers. On top of that, there’s the agency and execution business, where they act as an agent between buyers and sellers. Then they have a market-making business and hedging and investment solutions, which are smaller segments but with bigger markets and require either more risk in terms of market making or more creativity in terms of hedging and investment solutions. Their clients are not only investment funds and asset managers and participants in the financial markets, but also commodity consumers, commodity producers, and large banks.

They are spread all over the world. They are connected to 60 exchanges, pretty much all the important ones. Their revenues are split roughly 50/50 between Americas and Europe and Middle East and Africa, with some small remainder coming up from APAC countries.

It gives you a 10-year track record of their profit growth under a variety of conditions. But what I find interesting is what is not on this slide. If you look at the beginning and think that the company was started in 2005, it took them nine years to go from nothing to about 16 million of pre-tax profit. It takes almost a decade to build some business, which is still very small. It was a startup in the beginning, and it took nine years to build a business that brought only 16 million of revenues.

The 10 years after that, the growth has picked up. It’s exponential as they were able to redeploy their capital both towards organic growth and to acquisitions. From 16 million of pre-tax profit 10 years ago, the business generated 321 million a year ago. When you realize how long it takes to build a business like that, part of my thesis is that it’s a business where barriers to entry are very high. The barriers to succeed are even much higher.

The business is successful under a variety of conditions. If you think about the last 10 years, most of the time we had positive global GDP growth, but we had one year, 2020, when there was a severe global recession during COVID. For the beginning of the period, we had Fed fund rates or interest rates close to zero, and then they went up fast. We had record low volatility in 2017, and then three years later, the volatility was very high. The commodity prices were all over the place. In each of these years, in each different combination of all these environments, Marex was not only profitable but was also able to grow the business every year.

When you think about what drives their business, it generally is the general growth of the size of the financial markets, number of participants, number of assets, and volumes on the exchanges. Number two, it’s the interest rates. Higher interest rates are good for them because they are able to earn higher interest income on customers’ balances. Volatile markets are also good because higher volatility brings more trading volume, bigger spreads, and bigger margins. I view Marex, in one way, as a bet on the future volatility in markets.

We are a client of Marex. Our fund was started in 2004, and for the first 15 years or so, we used Newedge and Fimat in London as our prime broker. Fimat was owned by the French bank Société Générale. After Brexit, SocGen decided to cut down on this business and refocus it. We looked for another prime broker and five years ago, we switched to Cowen, which two years ago was acquired by Marex. Two years ago, we became a Marex customer by way of acquisition. We were able to appreciate the prime brokerage part of their business for a couple of years before that. At the time when we became a Marex customer, Marex was still a private company. It was only listed about six or nine months later.

When you look for a prime broker and you are a medium-sized fund—a medium-sized in Marex’s definition is a fund with assets between 25 and 500 million—it’s quite difficult to find a good prime broker. If you want someone that has global coverage and offers all the services that you want, you can try to go to J.P. Morgan or Goldman or Morgan Stanley, but they would require you to guarantee, let’s say, a minimum of $1 million of commissions. For many smaller funds, medium-sized funds, this is too high.

On the other hand of the spectrum, there are many smaller independent brokers which are happy to take smaller customers, but they do not provide global coverage and they do not offer all the services. If you are a medium-sized fund, if you want global coverage and good quality of services, Marex is one of very few choices that are available. Their closest peer would be a U.S. company called StoneX, which is of similar size, of similar services, and is also listed in the U.S. Marex is one of very few choices that you have. They’re not competing as much on pricing, although their prices are competitive, as much as they compete on just being there and being able to service medium-sized customers.

When I look at the competitive environment, not only does Marex have a strong moat because it’s on the other side of the barrier, but the competition, in one way, is weakening. It can be demonstrated that over the last 22 years or so, the number of FCMs (which is the futures commission merchants) that cover all the exchanges where Marex is active, is down by about 50%, while at the same time, the futures funds are up about four or five times. You have less brokers to cover many times more assets.

Marex is now a top 10 FCM company with about 8.7 billion of segregated funds. It’s bigger than companies like BNP, Mizuho, UBS, Wells Fargo, etc. The top players, of course, are J.P. Morgan, Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, etc. If you look at the closest peers, they compete in various segments that Marex services, but only StoneX is the one that covers all the four segments that Marex is covering.

The main long-term secular driver is the size of the financial markets. You can try to demonstrate it using various statistics. One of those that Marex is using shows how fast the number of contracts that are traded on the exchanges that Marex covers has been growing. Between 2014 and 2021, the number of contracts went up from 7.9 to 10.1 billion. That’s only about 4% per year. But then in the three following years, it went up by 11% per year. The demand for all these products and derivatives for clearing services is increasing faster and faster. There’s also increasing demand for energy and commodities for hedging.

The financial markets are covering more and more products, not only in financial markets itself, but also in cryptocurrencies, derivatives, commodities markets, etc. The size of the markets continues to grow not only with GDP but much faster because there’s more and more participants, more products being created, more trading, etc. I think this long-term secular driver will probably be here for a very long time. Volatility, with interest rates, and the number of customers that Marex is serving are the main business drivers for their future.

Marex has four lines of businesses, and the two biggest ones are clearing and agency and execution. They are relatively stable, and the expectations are you can forecast them. They don’t require too much risk, and this is the base of their business. The other two segments, market making and hedging and investment solutions, are much smaller, but they do require certain market risk books and creativity.

The size of the business of Marex has about tripled over the last three years in terms of revenues, and also in terms of customers. It’s also interesting to note, and this is very important, that the business of Marex over time is not only growing, but it’s also becoming more predictable and more stable. If you go back to 2021, their average monthly profit before tax of the whole Marex Group was about 6.6 million with a standard deviation of 3 million. Two-thirds of the months, the monthly profit was between 3.6 and 9.6 million. In the first half of this year, the average monthly profit before tax was 30.4 million, about five times bigger, but the standard monthly deviation was only 5 million. That was only 60% higher than four years ago.

In the first half of this year, two-thirds of the months were between 25 and 35 million of pre-tax profit, and Marex had only five small negative profit days in the first six months of this year. Not only the business is growing, but it’s also becoming a lot more predictable and stable, which I think in this business is very important.

Marex has been growing over time by a combination of organic growth and acquisitions. They’ve been doing quite a lot of acquisitions. Every year they do a couple of them. The two really transformative ones were the acquisition of ED&F Man brokerage business in 2022, which brought them a lot of brokerage customers and access to various markets. The second one was the acquisition of prime brokerage business from TD Cowen two years ago in December 2023. This enables them to complete their product offering and attract more business.

They try to show how much of this business is coming from acquisitions and how much is coming from organic growth, but it’s difficult in practice to differentiate. I’ll give an example. When they acquired TD Cowen prime brokerage two years ago, the prime brokerage business itself had about 80 million of annual revenues. Now, the running rate is about 210 million of revenues. Two years later, the business is two and a half times bigger. It’s difficult to say how much of that is because of the acquisition and how much of it is because of the organic growth. Of course, the initial impact was from the acquisition, but after they were able to integrate the prime brokerage business to Marex Group, they were able to offer it to their existing customers and they were also able to attract new customers because they had a broader service offering. In general, it’s a combination of organic growth and acquisitions, but it’s difficult to say which is which.

When Marex does acquisitions, they’re of course very careful in how much they pay. Usually, the acquisitions are not, I would say, house-betting or transformative. Usually, they just add on bits and pieces to their existing strategy. They always look at acquisitions and their success in two ways. First, how much they pay above the financial net assets that they acquire. Because we are talking in the financial business, the balance sheet of all these firms, Marex and the acquired firms, consists mostly of financial items. What is important is how much financial net worth you’re acquiring and how much goodwill you’re paying above that. That’s one measure. Historically, the goodwill is very small. The second metric that they look at is how much run-rate profit after tax the acquisition contributes immediately and in subsequent years.

For example, in 2023, they spent 50 million on acquisitions, and in that one year, they brought 10 million of profit after tax. In subsequent two years, they spent another 15 and another 85 million, so cumulatively 150 million. The actual contribution of profit after tax is about 70 million and the run rate is about 150 million. They always try to look at those metrics, and they also publish them during their presentations. I think they are very careful about what they buy and how much they pay.

Their closest peer, StoneX, has acquired R.J. O’Brien, which is the U.S. futures and brokerage and clearing, for 900 million this year, which is about 5.3 times EBITDA. Marex was also looking at it but decided that it’s too expensive and would not fit ideally into what they already have. They are perfectly, I think, willing to walk away from opportunities if the opportunities are not attractive enough.

The business is not only growing, but as I said, is also becoming more stable and predictable. Over the last three years, the number of customers that they have went up two and a half times. The number of clients that pay over 1 million of annual revenues is up about three and a half times. Three years ago, they had 73 customers that were bringing more than 1 million of revenues annually, and now, at the end of last year, it was 269. If you go back to the past, maybe to a year like 2018, the number of clients that were bringing 1 million a year was maybe 15. The business is really growing and becoming more robust. The risk exposure towards individual clients is also very diversified, with no single client representing a lot of risk exposure. The number of clients that are bringing between a quarter million and 1 million is also up nicely over the last year.

Of course, because we are talking about a financial company, it’s not only about revenues and earnings and earnings growth, but it’s also about risk and balance sheet. When you look at the balance sheet of Marex Group, it looks to be inflated. At the end of June ’25, it shows net assets of 1.1 billion and total assets of 31 billion. It looks like almost 30 times leveraged. But it is important to see that a lot of this balance sheet, about 80% of it, is driven by client activity. The assets and liabilities on both sides are driven by client activities, and they net each other out. When you take them out, you see that the residual balance sheet is much smaller. The residual balance sheet shows, for example, only about 5 and 1/2 times leverage. 5.9 billion of total assets, which is made mainly of short-term, short-duration, highly liquid instruments with relatively low debt. Marex has an investment grade rating.

For example, when we hedge a currency in our fund, we use forex swaps and forwards with Marex. When we hedge 100 million of currencies, on Marex’s balance sheet, it shows up as 100 million both on the assets and liabilities side, but the real market risk, because these contracts are only a couple of months long, is only a small fraction of those 100 million. On top of that, they are many times covered by our own balance sheet. This is an example of how the balance sheet of the whole group should be viewed. The client balances, the repos, securities lending, derivatives, a lot of that on the balance sheet cancels itself out.

From the regulatory point of view, Marex is viewed as a bank. It has certain capital requirements. The required capital, which is smaller than for a bank, is still significant. Presently, the capital requirement is 342 million, and the regulatory capital is 827 million. It’s two and a half times bigger than the requirement. It’s also very liquid.

When you look at the risk, of course, every company like that would tell you that their risk management is superb and that it’s all excellent, everything is well covered, etc., etc. This is usually the case also for companies that shortly after that go bankrupt. You should think about where the risk in a business like this comes from. The two main sources of risk come from clearing services; especially, there’s a credit risk towards their counterparties. The second main source of risk comes from their market making because although Marex doesn’t really do proprietary trading, market making always requires some inventories, and even if you try to be neutral, from time to time you always end up with positions which carry some sort of risk.

When you look at the historical track record, over the last 3 1/2 years, beginning 2022 and ending in June of ’25, their total cumulative credit losses were about $7 million. $7 million is less than 0.2% of revenues. This number is very low. The credit losses were 1 million in 2022, 1 million in ’23, 4 1/2 million last year, and 0.7 million in the first half of this year. Of course, it’s expected that the absolute number would grow because the business is now much bigger than three years ago, but as a percentage of revenues, I think it will remain as low as it has been in the last several years.

When you look at the cash flow generation, the cash flow conversion is very strong. It’s in the mid-90s. That’s because as a financial company, it doesn’t really have much capex. Marex does have some capital expenditures, which are mainly directed towards technology investments, but they are relatively very small. Most of the net income shows up as free cash flow.

In terms of the capital allocation policy, it’s pretty standard. They, of course, try to support the existing business, support the customers’ balance sheet. They support organic growth opportunities. They started paying a quarterly dividend. They’re looking, of course, all the time at potential acquisitions. They never talked about buybacks until recently, because the stock price has been declining. The IPO was in spring of 2024, a year and a half ago. The stock IPO’d at around 20. The stock went higher and peaked above 50 in spring of this year, and then kept declining towards 30, which is where it is at the moment. At the last call, a couple of weeks ago, the management said because the price is so low, they are now going to look at buybacks as one of the potential ways to put their capital. They haven’t done any, but I think the stock is really attractive and probably much more attractive than most potential acquisitions.

The stock is covered by only a few analysts so far, and that’s because it’s a smaller company and it has a short history. It’s also a UK company which is listed on Nasdaq. What I’m using here as future projections are projections from UBS, which is probably the only major house that is covering Marex. They also came up most recently with a very detailed research note. According to their expectations, the stock is now trading—the stock price is around 30—at around 7.7 times this year’s expected earnings. UBS expects the earnings per share to grow by about 10% per year and expects the ROE to converge from mid-20s currently to mid-teens over time. The P/E would go towards five.

What is important… the stock is definitely very cheap. What is also important to realize here is that it’s usually an analytic consensus to not include potential future acquisitions in the forecast. The acquisitions are typically included in the forecast not even when they’re announced, but when they are settled. This forecast only assumes about 10% organic earnings growth, which I think hugely underestimates the potential of the company, because the company can probably grow twice as fast if they continue deploying capital towards certain acquisitions. If they don’t, then 10% earnings growth still would justify a higher valuation. If they are able to grow faster, which I think they will, not only will the earnings grow faster, but the multiple should probably also be much higher than it is.

Why is there an opportunity here? I think I can think of several arguments. The stock has a short history on the stock exchange. It’s been listed for only 18 months. It’s a UK company listed on Nasdaq. It’s UK, it’s the financial industry, it’s a small cap. In the world where most of the money is being invested passively, the passive flows ignore companies like that. It’s difficult for an outsider to assess the quality of the business.

If you compare it to, for example, Interactive Brokers, which is a different business, but it does a lot of retail customers, it has millions and millions of customers. It has become almost a household name. Marex is probably a more sophisticated and developed business than Interactive Brokers, but it has only thousands of customers because it only services institutions. For the average investor, it’s more unknown. It’s difficult to assess the quality of the business.

We as customers of Marex, are extremely happy with what they do. We have met with them a number of times. Of course, our knowledge is very good of the prime brokerage business and smaller of the other parts of the business, but we have a very good opinion of the business in itself. I think the barriers to entry in this particular business are very high. It takes a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of effort to build the business and the customers that Marex already has.

The stock price was helped two or three months ago, when some anonymous entity that calls itself NINGI Research published a short report on Marex, and the stock price reacted, not dramatically, but it did react negatively, moving from, I think, mid-30s or high-30s to about low-30s or to 30, where it is now. I think it creates an opportunity. You can Google… I don’t know who the NINGI Research people are. No one seems to know, but I’ve read the report in great detail. I talked to the company, I talked to UBS, I talked to some other shareholders, and I think it’s basically a non-issue, but it pushed the price temporarily lower, which I think is good.

John: Great. Daniel, thank you so much for the thesis. Since you just finished up with the short report, what’s, in a nutshell, their main contention?

Daniel: They mentioned about eight or nine points. They talk about, five years ago, that Marex had some hidden structure in Luxembourg that was not properly disclosed. They talk about the leadership history, pointing out the fact that the CEO 20 years ago was working for Lehman Brothers. They say that their market-making profits seem to be too high. They criticize the fact that the private equity funds which financed Marex when it was private have mainly sold the stock since the IPO, which you would expect. They also criticize something on the audit side, but I think it was basically a non-issue because some of these things were wrong, some of it completely immaterial. I studied it a lot because it surprised me, but I think it’s a non-issue. It’s about 40 pages, and if you look up NINGI Research on their website, you can download it.

John: What do we know about the customer experience and how happy customers are with the firm? For example, with Interactive Brokers, there’s tons of evidence out there that customers are very happy with the value proposition and what they get. What do we know here?

Daniel: It’s a bit of a different business. I can judge from our experience using the prime brokerage services. Their customer service is on a different level. Interactive Brokers is more of a take-it-or-leave-it service, where even if you are an institution, it’s quite difficult to get attention from them, to get coverage, to deal with any issues. It’s like you buy the package and you use it. The service is very good, it’s competitive, it’s cheap, but the service attention from Marex is completely different.

You have your own… you have people, they cover you. You can talk to them at any time. If you have any issues with reporting, with pricing, with settlement, with anything, with products that you want to be offered, with access to exchanges, etc., you get it done immediately. It’s completely different. It’s also more tailormade. They have 5,000 customers, not millions. They are able to focus on customers really well. The pricing is very competitive. I can compare it to the pricing that we had before with Newedge and Fimat. We introduced several other funds to them, and they have all been using them. As far as I can tell, they’ve been quite happy. I’m very happy. For me, the best thing is that everything runs smoothly and I don’t even have to think about it. That’s the relationship I’d like to imagine.

John: Can you talk a little bit more about why they went public? What are the advantages of that?

Daniel: They were started in 2005, and I can imagine that they were started as a really small company by a couple of individuals, and they started by providing just one simple, single service and they kept widening it. As the business grew, they needed more and more capital. They turned to private equity funds as a source of capital. I think it was envisioned from the very beginning that the exit strategy would be to list the company on the exchange because the private equity funds would expect something like that to happen. Of course, you can in theory look for financing from companies that would indefinitely be your owner and provide financing. But I think it’s much easier to find the financing if you provide the carrot of a future listing.

The private equity funds are now mostly gone. The management owns a material stake. They were buying two weeks ago. One of their reactions to the short report was that they pre-announced the three-quarter earnings, which was very good. The earnings were very strong. The business keeps growing. The customers’ balances keep growing. It also allowed the management to start buying the shares shortly after that because otherwise they would have to wait for the full announcement, which I think comes next week or the week after next. I think it was planned from the very beginning that there would be an IPO at some point.

John: Makes sense. Could you provide a bit more color on the insiders and how you feel they’re treating the minority shareholders here?

Daniel: The public history is only 18 months old, so you don’t have much to talk about. The management seems to be very experienced. The CEO joined Marex in 2012, was previously in Barclays and Lehman. The COO also joined many years ago. All these people have decades of experience in the industry, and they all own a material amount of shares in the stock.

When you look at the compensation, 75% of their bonuses are tied to financial performance, which is split 50/50 between pre-tax profit and EPS growth. One quarter of their bonus is tied to strategic goals, which I’m not sure what they are, but 75% are to earnings and EPS growth. I’m pretty happy with that.

But, of course, the question that many people will ask in a business like that is, what do you want to look at if you want to make sure that a business like that doesn’t blow up? If you look at history, there were a number of institutional broker collapses: MF Global, Refco, Knight Capital, of course, Lehman Brothers, etc. I researched them and I tried to look for patterns. I think the most typical ones are that companies disguise proprietary trading as client flow. I think that would apply to MF Global or Barings. Another example would be where the business has a liquidity and leverage mismatch, which I think would be the case for Lehman, Refco, or MF Global. Then there might be an operational failure. I think that would be the case for Knight Capital, when I think there was a software glitch which sent millions of erroneous orders to the market, etc. I’m trying to look for the patterns to watch and to identify them in the behavior and in the accounts.

Of course, operational failure, you cannot detect up front. But the things like proprietary trading disguised, the liquidity mismatch, inadequate segregation of client funds, concentration on a single client, etc., that would be something that you might be able to detect. These would be the most important things, I think, to watch in businesses like that.

John: That’s a good note to end it on. Daniel, thank you so much for taking the time to join us again and articulate this thesis to fellow members. We truly appreciate it.

About the instructor:

Daniel Gladiš, based in the Czech Republic, has amassed a market-beating track record since starting VLTAVA Fund in 2004. VLTAVA Fund is a value-oriented, research-driven investment fund focused on investing in good companies run by quality management. Previously, Daniel was Director and Chairman of the Board of Directors of ABN AMRO Asset Management (Czech) from 1999–2004. He was also Director and founder of Atlantik finanční trhy, a.s., a member of the Prague Stock Exchange. Daniel is a graduate of VUT Brno and has authored the best-selling books Naučte se investovat (Learn to Invest) and Akciové investice (Stock Investments).

Novo Nordisk: Priced for Stability, Ignoring the Strong Pipeline

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Ole Søeberg of Nordic Investment Partners presented his investment thesis on Novo Nordisk (Denmark: NOVOB) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Ole analyzes the pharmaceutical industry as a potential “growth cluster,” driven by demographic tailwinds as an aging population increases healthcare spending. He notes that while this spending trend is unsustainable, it creates a large opportunity for drugs that promote a “good life” and reduce long-term costs. The presentation identifies GLP-1s as a key innovation in this area, with potential benefits far beyond their original diabetes and obesity applications, including cardiovascular, cancer suppression, and anti-depressant effects. This market is currently a “two-horse race” between Eli Lilly (LLY) and Novo Nordisk (NVO).

Novo Nordisk, a pioneer in the GLP-1 market with Ozempic and Wegovy, has “fallen out of bed” after its stock price declined 60% from its peak. The company lost its “pole position” to LLY after experiencing “short supply issues” just as LLY launched its Zepbound drug, which Ole notes is currently a “better drug” as an injectable. The market has since priced NVO for a low-growth future, essentially writing off its pipeline and viewing its potential upside, including MASH and Alzheimer’s treatments, as “birds on the roof.”

Ole highlights that this view may ignore NVO’s pipeline, which could “change the balance” in the race with LLY. NVO’s pill-based Cagrisema, with results expected late this year for a 2026 launch, appears “slightly better” than LLY’s offering based on comparative data. Furthermore, NVO’s Amycretin (due in 2029) “could also change the game.” The company is also undergoing a management reset, with a new CEO (Mads Dysted) and a new board focused on getting NVO “back on track.” Ole also views the hiring of a top sell-side analyst for IR as a positive step for improving the feedback loop to senior management.

The recent 60% stock price dive has compressed NVO’s valuation. The market appears to be pricing in a 2030 EPS of around 30 DKK, reflecting a “mature stable” business. However, if NVO’s growth forecasts are realized, EPS could be “much higher,” potentially 50+ DKK. Ole presents a scenario where, even on conservative 2028 EPS estimates of 28 DKK, a P/E multiple of 18x (below NVO’s long-term average of 22.5x) would imply a 500 DKK stock price in 2.5 years. With dividends, this suggests a potential 15% CAGR. While LLY has a higher growth profile, Ole notes NVO “looks more interesting” on recent valuation terms, recently yielding just under 4%.

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Ole Soeberg is the founder of Nordic Investment Partners, a family office for three families. Ole has more than four decades of investment experience in asset management, investor relations, and investment banking.

Norma: Mispriced Auto Supplier with Major Capital Return Kicker

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Nils Herzing of Shareholder Value Beteiligungen AG presented his investment thesis on Norma Group SE (Germany: NOEJ) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Norma Group is a German producer of mission-critical C-components, such as clamps and fasteners, for automotive and industrial applications. The company is widely perceived as an automotive supplier, a sector facing cyclical and structural headwinds. The core of the investment thesis is a valuation dislocation driven by the pending sale of its highly profitable NDS water management division. This divestiture, which was pushed by activist shareholder Teleios (21% owner) and is expected to close by early 2026, provides a large cash infusion and a clear catalyst for the re-rating of the remaining business.

The “new” Norma, post-divestiture, will consist of the Mobility and Industry Applications segments. The market is concerned about the Mobility segment’s exposure to the ICE-to-BEV transition, but Nils’s research indicates that BEV content per vehicle (CPV) is 50-90% that of an ICE vehicle, mitigating this risk. Current profitability is depressed, with the Mobility segment recently operating at a 2% EBITA margin. Nils argues this is temporary, resulting from one-off costs related to plant rationalization (extra freight, temporary labor) and legacy OEM contracts. The company is now implementing a “margin-before-volume” policy on new contracts, targeting >10% EBIT margins, while the Industry Applications segment already achieves >10% margins.

The NDS sale is expected to generate proceeds of 840 million EUR ($1 billion USD). This cash influx is the thesis’s primary driver. Management plans to first repay all outstanding debt. Following this, a massive capital return is planned, starting with a 10% share buyback. A subsequent special tender, which requires an AGM vote, will aim to repurchase at least an additional 30% of shares outstanding. Nils highlights this will reduce the total share count by a minimum of 40%, driving significant EPS accretion, alongside an expected dividend. A smaller portion of the proceeds is earmarked for M&A in the industrial fastener space.

The stock recently traded around 15.00 EUR. Nils views this as highly compelling, noting the market cap of ~450 million EUR is backed by >300 million EUR in cash that the company will hold post-debt-repayment but pre-buybacks, illustrating a protected downside. Nils presented a SOTP valuation that arrives at a fair value of 23.80 EUR per share. This SOTP values the remaining Mobility business at 6.0x EV/EBIT and the Industry business at 8.0x EV/EBIT, combined with the net proceeds from the NDS sale. Based on a conservative margin recovery path (to 8% EBITA by 2030) and the large-scale repurchases, Nils projects a 22% TSR.

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Nils Herzing is an Executive at Shareholder Value Beteiligungen AG (SVB), a long-term oriented, publicly traded value investment vehicle. Prior to joining SVB, Nils was Partner and first employee at Active Ownership Capital (AOC). Before that, he was the manager of a Family Office located in Regensburg, Germany. In 2013, he graduated with a B.A. in Management, Philosophy & Art. In the same year he founded the Herzing Value Investment GmbH. Afterwards, he earned an MSc in Finance from the EBS Business School and EDHEC Business School during which he passed the first two levels of the CFA Program. Since 2016, he has been a CFA Charterholder. In 2017, Nils co-founded ForkOn GmbH, the first vendor neutral SaaS forklift fleet management solution. From 2018 until 2022, he has severed as a board member of the supervisory board of PBKM (Polski Bank Komórek Macierzystych) S.A. and Vita 34 AG.

SMCP: Accessible Luxury With Margin Upside and High FCF Yield

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Brian Chingono of Verdad presented his investment thesis on European equities and SMCP (France: SMCP) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

SMCP is a Parisian fashion holding company operating in the accessible luxury segment with a €485 million market cap. The company manages a global footprint of stores for its brands, including Sandro, Maje, and Claudie Pierlot. SMCP was previously owned by the LVMH-affiliated private equity firm L Catterton. The thesis sees upside potential driven by internal efficiency measures and an eventual recovery in discretionary spending.

The company’s stock appears depressed due to its exposure to consumer discretionary spending, which has been pressured by recent inflation and high interest rates. This specific headwind aligns with the broader consensus pessimism surrounding European equities, which have faced slowing growth, capital outflows, and geopolitical shocks. This environment has left corporate Europe, despite being healthy, trading at a steep discount to US peers.

The investment thesis rests on the view that this pessimism regarding SMCP is overdone. The company is executing efficiency measures and cost-cutting plans which are progressing as expected. Management is targeting adjusted EBIT margin expansion to 10% in 2H 2026, up from 7.1% in 1H 2025. This operational turnaround is stewarded by a capable CFO, a 15-year LVMH veteran who previously served as CFO of Givenchy.

The company exhibits healthy quality metrics, including a 35.6% gross profit to assets ratio. The balance sheet is also actively being deleveraged, with net debt reduced by 13% since December 2024 and 30% since June 2024. Beyond the operational turnaround, a potential upside catalyst exists from the eventual sale of a stake held by creditors of a former shareholder.

Reflecting the macro pressures and pessimism, the shares recently traded at low multiples. The stock was valued at 5.7x EV/EBITDA and 0.4x P/B. This valuation corresponds to a 17.7% FCF yield. This pricing exemplifies the opportunity in European micro-caps, which are trading at discounts to their own history and offer a compelling entry point for value-oriented investors.

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Brian Chingono serves as Partner, Director of Quantitative Research, and Europe Portfolio Manager at Verdad, a highly regarded global asset management firm. He worked at Dimensional Fund Advisors and Credit Suisse before joining Verdad. Brian earned an AB from Harvard College and an MBA with honors from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. As a graduate student, Brian co-authored two research papers related to Verdad’s investment strategy: Leveraged Small Value Equities and Forecasting Debt Paydown Among Leveraged Equities.

Unidata: Founder-Led Italian Fiber Company at Key Inflection Point

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Alejandro Estebaranz of True Value presented his investment thesis on Unidata (Italy: UD) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Unidata is a founder-led Italian digital infrastructure provider with a diversified portfolio of services including connectivity, cloud, and IoT solutions, underpinned by a proprietary network of over 7,000 km of fiber and two data centers. The company is positioned to capitalize on Italy’s structural need to expand its fiber network, which currently lags European peers, while benefiting from fiber’s technological superiority over competing 5G and satellite technologies. With a strong history of revenue growth, stable margins, and high insider ownership exceeding 55%, Unidata presents a compelling profile of a well-managed, aligned, and strategically positioned operator.

The core of the investment thesis rests on a significant inflection point expected within the next two years, driven by the completion and value crystallization of three strategic, late-stage joint ventures. These include Unifiber, a Fiber-to-the-Home (FTTH) project in the Lazio region; Unitirreno, a new low-latency submarine cable connecting Italy to Northern Europe; and Unicenter, a Tier IV data center in Rome designed for AI workloads and serving as the cable’s landing station. These de-risked projects, developed with credible partners, are all scheduled to become operational by 2025, transitioning the company from a period of heavy investment to one of significant cash flow generation and rapid deleveraging.

The company’s financial trajectory is robust, with projections indicating a revenue CAGR of 12% and an EBITDA CAGR of 15% between 2024 and 2027, while maintaining stable EBITDA margins in the 27-28% range. As capital expenditures normalize post-2025, Unidata is forecast to deleverage, with its net debt-to-EBITDA ratio expected to fall from 1.7x in 2024 to 0.4x by 2027. This financial discipline is projected to generate substantial FCF, with an implied FCF yield exceeding 20% in 2026, offering capacity for shareholder returns or further strategic investments.

Unidata’s shares recently traded at a deep discount to their intrinsic value, creating an arbitrage opportunity between public and private market valuations for digital infrastructure assets. The company’s 2025 estimated EV/EBITDA multiple of 4.5x stands in contrast to the 18-20x multiples seen in M&A for comparable FTTH assets and the 10-13x multiples for corporate peers like Retelit and EOLO. This valuation disconnect is the basis for a target price of €6.60 per share, which implies an upside of over 100% from recent levels. As the strategic joint ventures become operational and their value becomes undeniable, a re-rating of the stock is anticipated, closing the gap to its private market value.

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Alejandro Estebaranz has served as the CIO True Value fund (ISIN: ES0180792006) since its inception. True Value, based in Spain, is a long-only equity fund founded in 2014. It focuses on underfollowed small- and mid-cap public companies, seeking good businesses with good management teams. He holds a degree in mechanical engineering and a degree in industrial engineering.

Edenred: Durable Growth Obscured by Regulatory Uncertainty

October 30, 2025 in Audio, Diary, Discover Great Ideas Podcast, Equities, Europe, European Investing Summit 2025, European Investing Summit 2025 Featured, Ideas, Member Podcasts, Transcripts

Jean-Pascal Rolandez of The L.T. Funds presented his investment thesis on Edenred (France: EDEN) at European Investing Summit 2025.

Thesis summary:

Edenred is a world leader in specific use payment solutions. The company originated the restaurant voucher in France and operates on a commission-based model, charging both client issuers and merchant partners. After being spun off from Accor in 2010 , Edenred expanded to become the sector leader , operating in 45 countries with a network of over 1 million client issuers, 2 million merchant partners, and 60 million users. The company has diversified beyond vouchers into management services and controlled payments.

The investment thesis highlights a strong business model, a global network , and a management team described as very good, financially minded, and excellent at execution. The company has a strong post-Covid track record, showing +21% sales p.a. and +25% EBIT. While originating in France, the country now represents only 12% of OP. The business demonstrates high cash flow generation, with FCF estimated at approximately 30% of sales.

The opportunity exists because the company is viewed as a “fallen star” due to current regulatory uncertainty. This regulatory risk is present in all countries , with three main countries specifically under review. Other threats include potential new reforms, unfavorable litigation judgments, and fines from competition authorities. Weaknesses noted include high tax rates (31-32%) , exposure to Latin America (29% of EBIT) , and the presence of goodwill and negative equity.

The presentation suggested the valuation was attractive due to this regulatory overhang. It was noted that Capital group had taken a 10% stake, alongside seven other US investors holding 5%. Based on 2026 estimates, the shares recently traded at an EV/EBITDA of 4.1x. The thesis projects a durable high single-digit growth rate , and at the time of the presentation, the gross dividend yield was 5.8%.

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Jean-Pascal Rolandez is the manager of The L.T. Funds, a Geneva-based investment firm focused on a buy and hold strategy based on a limited number of European stocks with a 5+ year investment horizon. Jean-Pascal has more than 25 years of equity investment experience and has founded the first investment club at the leading French business school ESSEC. Prior to establishing The L.T. Funds, Jean-Pascal held various executive positions at BNP Paribas for 22 years, including as Paribas’ French equity strategist.

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