Quarterly Intelligent Cloning Report: The Autumn 2021 Edition

October 2, 2021 in Equities, Idea Generation, Ideas, Letters, Quantitative

This quarterly member publication is authored by MOI Global contributor and Zurich Project participant Peter Coenen, a value investor based in the Netherlands.

“If you have to squeeze out every drop of risk before investing, there won’t be any fruit left.”
―Tom Gardner

Solid results can be achieved by copying great investors. Don’t try to be the smartest investor around. Start copying the great ones. It’s an approach called “cloning”. I have practiced it for many years now. Cloning works!

According to Profs. Gerald Martin and John Puthenpurackal’s study from 2008, “Imitation Is the Sincerest Form of Flattery,” investors would have earned an average annual return of 24.6% for 30 years, simply by buying what Buffett bought. Better yet, this annual rate of return came from buying the stocks after Buffett had disclosed them in regulatory filings.

There are so many great ideas to copy. It’s actually hard work to copy just one or two ideas a year! And it is most certainly not easy. A great place to look for compelling ideas is dataroma.com, as is thevalueinvestorsclub.com. And if you’ve been around long enough in this business, you will find exceptional “under the radar screen investment managers”, with outstanding long-term track records. Also, a very compelling hunting ground.

Here is a great list of clone-worthy investors. I got it from a tweet from Brad Kaellner, who runs an entertaining and valuable YouTube channel on investing, cloning, etc.

For those of you who have the right mental makeup to handle stock market volatility intelligently, here is your ticket to financial freedom: just copy the best of them. Cloning works!

More so, Brad came up with a list of investors on Twitter with killer returns since fund interception:
@Adam_Wyden
@AltaFoxCapital
@Anrosenblum
@bradsling
@CliffordSosin
@DOMOCAPITAL
@GreenhavenRoad
@HaydenCapital
@LaughingH20Cap
@MattPetersonCFA
@SagaPartners

Thank you, Brad!

Here is the newest addition to the Intelligent Cloning Portfolio: the Daily Journal Corporation (DJCO). I copied it from Zürich-based investor Guy Spier. At first sight, you might question if the Daily Journal Corporation is indeed this unique outstanding company that has the ability to build a dominant market position in its niche and hold on to that position for many years to come, but after studying an investment thesis on this company, written by Matthew Peterson of Peterson Capital Management, I decided to invest.

Matthew rightfully points out that this investment opportunity is totally misunderstood and makes the case that the Daily Journal Corporation is an undervalued microcap compounder in a huge space for sustainable, long-term growth. You can find his presentation on YouTube. I like the “deferred gratification ethos” part of it. And yes, of course, there are risks to consider. But you know, if you have to squeeze out every drop of risk before investing, there won’t be any fruit left.

Another company in the Matt Peterson portfolio is Seritage Growth Properties (SRG). Interestingly enough, during his annual meeting he lays out the returns his fund generates by selling cash secured put options @ 15 USD on SRG. Heads, the stock goes up, and he wins by pocketing the premium, and tails the stock goes down, and he cuts 4.50 USD off the price of the stock he wants to own anyhow. I just might give that a go as well.

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Adam Rozencwajg on the Investment Implications of Copper Supply Issues

September 30, 2021 in Audio, Document, Equities, Full Video, Gain Industry Insights Podcast, Industry Primers, Interviews, Member Podcasts, Podcast, Transcripts

We had the pleasure of speaking with Adam Rozencwajg, managing partner of Goehring & Rozencwajg Associates, about global copper supply issues and the related investment implications.

The interview was conducted by MOI Global contributor Rohith Potti.

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Adam A. Rozencwajg serves as a Managing Partner at Goehring & Rozencwajg Associates, LLC. Adam has more than 15 years of investment experience. Between 2007 and 2015, he worked exclusively on the Global Natural Resources Fund at Chilton Investment Company with Leigh R. Goehring, now a fellow Managing Partner of Goehring & Rozencwajg. Prior to joining Chilton, Adam worked in the Investment Banking department at Lehman Brothers between 2006 and 2007. Adam holds a Bachelor of Arts degree with a major in Economics/Philosophy from Columbia University. He is a CFA charterholder.

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Grahamian Investing: How to Reinvent and Reinvigorate Value Investing

September 29, 2021 in Commentary, Deep Value, Equities, European Investing Summit, Featured, History of Value Investing, Letters

This article is authored by London-based MOI Global instructor Massimo Fuggetta, founder, chairman and chief investment officer of Bayes Investments, advisors to the Made in Italy Fund, a mutual fund exclusively focused on Italian small-cap stocks.

Massimo authors the popular Bayes blog, named after Presbyterian minister and mathematician Thomas Bayes, who, in An Essay Towards Solving a Problem in the Doctrine of Chances, first formulated the theorem that bears his name.

Lord Darlington. What cynics you fellows are!

Cecil Graham. What is a cynic? [Sitting on the back of the sofa.]

Lord Darlington. A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Cecil Graham. And a sentimentalist, my dear Darlington, is a man who sees an absurd value in everything, and doesn’t know the market price of any single thing.

(Lady Windermere’s Fan, Third Act)

The value of an asset is the discounted sum of its future payouts.

This definition is essentially tautological. All it says is that a tree is worth the fruits it bears, and that an apple for sure today is worth more than an apple maybe tomorrow. For most financial assets, payouts are in cash, so we say their value is the discounted sum of future cash flows, or DCF. But payouts can be non-monetary: Gold and works of art, for instance, repay the owner with security or pleasure. Live-in properties spare their owners the payment of a rent. I leave it to you to figure out the payouts of Bitcoin.

Payouts should not be confused with the proceeds from the sale of an asset. A sale just transfers the right to the payouts from the seller to the buyer. It is an exchange at an agreed price. The price might be higher or lower that what the seller paid to acquire the asset. But the entailed gain or loss comes from the sale, not from the asset. Who would buy a fruitless tree, if not with the intent to sell it to a greater fool who would also buy it for the same purpose?

Investors do not, or should not, disagree on what value is. But they do differ in the use they make of the concept, and in particular in the distinction they make between value and price. In this respect, we can divide them into three groups:

1. Grahamians. They place great significance on the concept of value, as distinct from the notion of price. They believe that values can and often do differ from prices.

2. Cynics. They place no significance on the concept of value. They believe there are no values, only prices.

3. Bogleheads. They are indifferent to the concept of value. They believe that, apart from some fleeting anomalies, there is no difference between values and prices.

Notice the similarity between Grahamians and Bogleheads: they both believe there is a magnetic force attracting prices to values. But Grahamians see the force as weak and variable, thus allowing other forces to open gaps between values and prices. While Bogleheads see it as strong and overpowering, thus preventing any significant gaps to open in the first place.

Cynics, on the other hand, believe there is no such a thing as value. They think prices are subject to various forces, but value magnetism is not one of them. In this sense, then, there is also a similarity between Cynics and Bogleheads: they both ignore value. Cynics see it as a pointless concept. Bogleheads think that, whatever it is, it is inseparable from price.

Their ignorance shows up whenever Cynics and Bogleheads talk about value. The most common misconception that unites them is the confusion between value and valuation. This is typically exemplified by their definition of a ‘value’ asset – e.g. a company stock – as one exhibiting a low ratio between its market price and some item on the company’s balance sheet, such as Net Income and Shareholders Equity. A ‘value stock’ – so they say – is one with a relatively low Price/Earnings or Price/Book Value ratio. Notice this is not what they believe: remember Cynics think there is no such a thing as value, and Bogleheads do not distinguish between value and price. But it is what they believe Grahamians think is a ‘value stock’. That is, they believe Grahamians think that value can be reduced to some function of E and BV, and that, therefore, a low P/E or P/BV is an appropriate measure of the gap between value and price.

This is obviously a gross misrepresentation. Any self-respecting Grahamian knows that “The whole idea of basing the value upon current earnings is inherently absurd“. The value of an asset is the discounted sum of its future payouts, and a company’s stream of payouts depends on its ability to earn a return on equity above its cost of capital, and on the value of equity increases accruing from its future investments (here is a sketch of how I look at it). To say that the value of a company can be represented by a number on its balance sheet is like saying that the value of an apple tree can be gauged by the look of one of its apples.

Still, the idle notion that lower P/E or P/BV stocks are ‘value stocks’ is pervasive, even beyond Cynics and Bogleheads. And so is the even sillier notion thar higher P/E and P/BV stocks are ‘growth stocks’. Worse, asset managers whose portfolios have stocks with lower than average valuation ratios are labelled ‘value managers’, while those invested in stocks with higher than average ratios are marked as ‘growth managers’.

Serious Grahamians know this is nonsense. A value stock is one whose true value is significantly higher than its market price. This has nothing to do with lower valuation ratios. Obviously, given anything at the denominator, a lower ratio means a cheaper stock – believe it or not, paying a lower price is better than paying a higher price. But a value stock can have any valuation ratio, including a negative P/E if a company is currently loss-making, or a high P/E if earnings are temporarily depressed or if they are deemed to grow at a fast pace in the future. Conversely, a low P/E or P/BV stock is not necessarily a value stock, as it may be a value trap, i.e. a stock whose true value is even lower than its low price.

Thus value versus growth is a false dichotomy, and the ensuing categorization of stocks and asset managers based on valuation ratios is a persistent source of confusion.

Far from being a semantical subtlety, the value-growth jumble has real consequences. As it is often the case, much of it revolves around the cynical Bogleheads duo par excellence, Eugene Fama and Kenneth French. Under pressure from an avalanche of empirical failings of the Efficient Markets Theory and the associated Capital Asset Pricing Model, in the early 1990s the duo came up with a Three-Factor Model, with the objective of ‘explaining’ the behaviour of stock returns while salvaging the totem of market efficiency. One of the three factors in the model is HML, which stands for High Minus Low book-to-market ratio. In their words: ‘Returns on high book-to-market (value) stocks covary more with one another than with returns on low book-to-market (growth) stocks’ (Fama and French, JEP, 2004, p. 38). That’s it: low P/BV=value stocks, high P/BV=growth stocks.

The other cornerstone of the model is SMB, or Small Minus Big: ‘Returns on the stock of small firms covary more with one another than with returns on the stocks of large firms’. Unlike HML, SMB does not carry a semantic baggage – small and large are just that: different market capitalisations. But they both have the same connotation: they are risk factors. Ever obedient to their EMT faith, Fama and French do not imply that investors should buy low P/BV ‘value’ stocks and small cap stocks: what they are saying is that the extra return they would get by doing so is ‘explained’ by the usual all-embracing EMT panacea: extra risk. Nevertheless, since the Fama-French launch, a flood of evermore plethoric ‘Multifactor models’ has generated a whole industry of ‘Factor Investing’. Their overt message to investors: we’ll get you better returns. Their covert message – often obscure to ‘factor’ investors themselves: we’ll get you extra returns by exposing you to extra risk.

The mantra ‘A higher return always comes with a higher risk’ is the central pillar of the EMT. Factor investors get sucked into it by construction: they are more or less self-aware Bogleheads. Cynics are cynical: they know their trades can go wrong, and hedge their bets accordingly. Plus they know that the more they bet, the higher their gain or loss – and leave it at that. But Grahamians are cerebral. They ask: what is risk? And why should it be positively related to expected return? Their view on the subject is very different from the EMT mantra. They define risk as the probability of a permanent loss of capital, and think that more risk means a lower, not a higher probability-weighted expected return. To a Grahamian the risk of an asset is proportional to the size of the gap between its true value and its market price. The wider the gap, the bigger is the Margin of Safety of an investment, and the lower its risk. A bigger Margin of Safety increases the magnetic force that attracts price to value. Of course, value can change, in a positive or negative direction, and so can its assessment. Hence the investment is and remains risky, despite the size of the value gap. But why should that risk have anything to do with P/BV or market cap?

Fama and French’s reasoning about P/BV is disarmingly circular. They essentially say: a low P/BV means that the market is placing a relatively low value on the company’s equity. This must be because the market considers the company riskier. That is: a company is riskier because the market says so. Or: The company is riskier because it has a low P/BV, and it has a low P/BV because it is riskier. This wouldn’t pass Excel. As roundabout as it is, however, the P/BV argument bears at least some relation to price and value. But what about size? Why should a small company be riskier that a large company? Here the argument reiterates the flimsy sophistry used to ‘explain’ Rolf Banz’s (1981) size effect: small companies are riskier because they are younger and therefore more fragile, while large companies are safer because they have been around for longer and are therefore more robust. No matter their price or value. So for instance the small caps in our Made in Italy Fund are a lot riskier than Tesla. Oh well.

Like factor investors, Grahamians want to get better returns – but with less risk, not more. This raises the outrage of EMT faithful, to which the proposition is anathema. Better than what? – they ask, with the smug assurance that, whatever the answer, it will be wrong. Well – say Grahamians – better than the average returns of asset managers investing in the same universe. So, for example, if we invest in US stocks our aim is to get significantly better returns than other US managers – not every quarter or even every year, but certainly over a 5-to-10-year period. Before you say so, that includes passive investing Bogleheads, whom, we agree with you, are strong contenders, as they tend to get better than average after-costs returns. And since all that Bogleheads do is to replicate the composition of some index – the S&P500 in the case of US stocks – we also want to outperform the index. And look at our track record: that’s what we have done – say successful Grahamians (it should go without saying that it is not enough to call oneself a Grahamian to be a successful investor).

Ah, but which index? – is the standard retort. Echoing the Three-Factor Model, an army of index providers and performance analysts use intricate grids of boxes to place funds and fund managers along HML and SMB spectrums. The most prominent is SPIVA – S&P Indices Versus Active. For each fund they ask: is it Value, Growth, or Core? Is it Large Cap, Mid Cap, Small Cap, or Multi Cap? Their message: When placed in the right box (or ‘style’, in their ludicrous parlance), most ‘active’ funds underperform their assigned index.

Grahamians shrug off such classifications. They think value versus growth is a misnomer, and they don’t regard market cap as a relevant criterion to assess the true value of an investment. Still, their funds are forced into one of the boxes, based on the HML and SMB scores of their holdings. And – like Native Americans protesting against being called Indians – Grahamians rejecting this nonsense are simply ignored.

This messy Babel can be traced back to Grahamians’ characterisation of one of the major forces they see as creating gaps between true values and market prices: the average investor’s tendency to be carried away by sentiment. As Benjamin Graham put it: the stock market is a voting machine rather than a weighing machine. This works both ways: negative sentiment can push stock prices below true values and positive sentiment can pull them above. Grahamians are attracted by the former: in this sense, they tend to regard low valuation ratios as a sign of excessive pessimism. But only a lazy Grahamian would confine himself to simply casting a net amidst low ratios in the hope of catching as many value stocks as possible. A serious Grahamian would perhaps screen for low ratios, but would thereafter know that his job has, if anything, just started. Likewise, Grahamians are deterred by positive sentiment, which – as an earlier Graham, Cecil, put it – sees an absurd value in everything and knows the price of nothing. Hence they tend to regard high valuation ratios as a sign of excessive optimism. But again only a lazy Grahamian would stop there and simply avoid high valuation stocks. A serious Grahamian would be interested in them and would want to check whether high ratios are perhaps justified by high true values, possibly above market prices.

In doing so, he is aware that excess optimism is a tougher nut to crack than excess pessimism. When excess pessimism drives a stock price below what a Grahamian thinks is its true value, all he needs to do is to buy the stock and wait for value magnetism to work. If it doesn’t, he needs to decide whether to wait a bit longer or admit he has caught a value trap, take a loss and move on – an error of commission. But when excess optimism drives a stock price above its supposed true value, a Grahamian will either do nothing or, if he is so inclined, short the stock, again waiting for value magnetism to take effect. If it doesn’t, however, being short means dealing with a time-sensitive, potentially indefinite and expanding loss. And, if he is not short, he needs to deal with the growing anxiety of having missed the boat – an error of omission that many Grahamians who never managed to bring themselves to buying Amazon are sorely familiar with. In addition, while the value that excess pessimism tends to neglect is often a hard, tangible one, embedded in existing assets, the value that excess optimism tends to overblow is usually an uncertain, impalpable, non-linear condensation of future growth opportunities. Grahamians are naturally more confident dealing with the former and more sceptical about dealing with the latter: value traps are bad enough, but growth traps – where one surrenders to sentimentalism and buys a meteor only to see it crushing down to earth – can be devastating. Yet, a serious Grahamian knows he needs to handle both risks, and that his job is a great deal more complicated than the lazy reliance on a couple of balance sheet numbers.

So there it is: Cynical Bogleheads think that all Grahamians are as lazy and disinterested in value as they are. They aren’t.

These considerations have been inspired by Aswath Damodaran’s three posts on Value Investing.

Like many, I am a regular reader of Damodaran’s blog. I find his posts interesting, sharp and thought-provoking. So were the Value Investing posts. I thought, however, they were marred by some degree of confusion, which I would like to address.

The first post sets the stage with the following picture, which Damodaran puts forward as a general approach that encompasses his other classifications of Value Investing:

Value Investing is defined as the search for bargains that arise when the market undervalues a company’s existing assets. This is contrasted with Growth Investing, defined as the search for bargains that arise when the market undervalues a company’s growth assets, i.e. assets that are currently not in place but are expected to be generated by future investments.

As I said in my post, I think this is a false dichotomy. As Damodaran himself puts it: ‘the contrast between value and growth investing is not that one cares about value and the other does not’. Investors who care about value are all Grahamians: they invest in stocks where they see a significant gap between true values and market prices, irrespective of whether such values derive from current or future assets.

Grahamians believe that Mr Market can be carried away by sentiment – excess pessimism that drives market prices below true values and excess optimism that drives them above. Depending on the company, true values can be mostly embedded in existing assets or mostly condensed in future assets – or a varying combination of the two. The difference is that assets in place are, to an extent, observable and quantifiable, whereas assets-to-be are not. But Mr Market can misjudge both, and in both directions. It can undervalue current assets, thus presenting a bargain to a Grahamian who can properly quantify them; or it can undervalue future assets, thus providing an investment opportunity to a Grahamian who is able to anticipate the value creation to be brought about by future investments. The first is a more common image of a Value Investor. But the second is as much a Value Investor as the first, and to call him a Growth Investor is a persistent source of confusion. Likewise, Mr Market can overvalue current assets as well as future assets, thus prompting a Grahamian who can see the mistake to stay away from them or, if so inclined, short them. Here the common image is that of a Value Investor shunning the sentimentalism of Pindaric flights of fantasy that exalt future growth opportunities while neglecting gravitational threats. But avoiding investment in overvalued current assets is as much a trait of an accomplished Grahamian.

The observability of current assets explains why Grahamians are more comfortable dealing with them rather than with the inherent impalpability of growth assets. The value of current assets can be measured – Book Value being its coarsest approximation – while growth assets can’t. But, as we know, ‘Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.’ Valuing growth opportunities is more difficult, rife with uncertainties and therefore more prone to error. But serious Grahamians accept the challenge – indeed that’s what Damodaran does regularly and expertly, in his blog and elsewhere. He himself is the proof that value versus growth is a false dichotomy!

Hence it is puzzling to see him sticking to it in his second post, where he embarks in an historical evaluation of their relative performance, based on the flawed classification: low P/BV=value stocks, high P/BV=growth stocks. Damodaran recognises that P/BV is just a proxy for value, and that ‘low PE and low P/BV stocks would not be considered true value investing, by most of its adherents’. Indeed, in his first post he defines low multiples investing as ‘Lazy Value Investing’ – a term I borrowed in my post – as opposed to ‘Cerebral Value Investing’, where screening for low multiples may be the starting point but final choices depend on a host of other criteria. But then in the second post he uses SPIVA data to show that most mutual fund managers who claim to adhere to Value Investing fail to beat their assigned value index. That is: most Cerebral Value Investors underperform Lazy Value Investing. Notice that, with equivalent Bogleheaded simplicity, one can use the same SPIVA database to show that most mutual fund managers who claim to adhere to Growth Investing fail to beat their own assigned index. That is: Cerebral Growth Investors underperform Lazy Growth Investors (or Crazy Growth Investors – a better term for investors who would purposely buy high multiples stocks).

An erudite Grahamian like Professor Damodaran should not be drawn into these fruitless comparisons. There is no Value versus Growth Investing, no Value versus Growth performance or Value/Growth cycle. Value does not ‘work’ according to whether low multiples stocks outperform high multiples stocks. Value always works: it is the central concept to a Grahamian investor who believes that it can and often does differ from market prices. Whether a company’s value resides more in its current assets or in its growth assets depends on the company, not on the investor.

Indeed, this is the focal point of Damodaran’s third post, where he calls for a ‘Reinvention’ of Value Investing. It seems to me, however, that what he proposes as ‘A New Paradigm for Value Investing’ is nothing more than what serious Value Investing has been all along, once one looks at it without the distorting lens of the spurious value/growth opposition. In fact, one can take Damodaran’s first post picture we started with and label it ‘Value Investing’ rather than ‘Value versus Growth Investing’. Or – in the name of Reinvention – name it Grahamian Investing, in homage to its chief architect, who, with a touch of condescension, preferred to call it Intelligent Investing.

Grahamian Investing is a great deal more complicated than careless academics – who have no qualms calling low multiples stocks ‘value stocks’ and concocting a ‘factor’ out of them – purport it to be. They should go back (or go) and read Chapter 1 of Security Analysis: ‘It is a great mistake to imagine that intrinsic value is as definite and as determinable as is the market price’. Grahamians are aware that value is an elusive concept, impervious to exact appraisal: ‘There is no such thing as the “proper value” of any given common stock’, and therefore there is no readily quantifiable value parameter – despite academics, index providers and performance analysts pretending otherwise. That is why Grahamians place as much significance on the concept of Margin of Safety. They don’t need to know the exact value of an asset, but they want to make sure – as much as they can – that such value is considerably higher than the market price, i.e. that there is a comfortably ample gap between value and price. Equivalently, they want to minimise the probability that the market price is right.

Grahamians regard the Margin of Safety as the most appropriate measure of investment risk. The wider the Margin of Safety, the lower is the probability of a permanent loss of capital. In this respect, Damodaran rightly observes that ‘the margin of safety comes into play only after you have valued a company, and to value a company, you need a measure of risk’. But it should be obvious to a Grahamian that none of the common measures of risk – standard deviation, beta and all their CAPM-derived ratios – are of any use. These are proper measures of risk only in a Boglehead world, where values coincide with prices, markets are efficient and higher returns are ‘explained’ by higher risk. In a Grahamian world there are many risks, but they have to do with real things like business conditions, competitive threats, accounting accuracy, balance sheet integrity, management skills, and many others, none of which are accurately quantifiable. That is why the Margin of Safety needs to be wide enough to accommodate them.

The Margin of Safety determines the real risk/reward trade-off facing a Grahamian investor. If he sets it too narrow, he increases the risk of buying a dud – a value trap or a ‘growth’ trap – thus losing capital, time or both. If he sets it too wide, he increases the risk of holding too much cash and performing poorly. The trade-off is depicted in the following picture on Damodaran’s third post:

It is essentially the same picture I presented (almost nine years ago – scary) in my Pearls and pebbles post. A Grahamian’s primary concern is to avoid a Type I error – a False Positive. It is Warren Buffett’s Rule No. 1: Never Lose Money or, as I called it, the Blackstone Principle of Intelligent Investing. But that needs to be balanced with a secondary concern: to avoid a Type II Error – a False Negative. We can call it Rule No. 2: No pain, no gain.

In order to avoid a Type I error, the Margin of Safety needs to be wide enough. As Warren Buffett put it: better ten strikes than one wrong swing. But to avoid a Type II error the Margin of Safety cannot be too wide: no swing, no return. The first is an error of commission – make an investment that turns out to be wrong. The second is an error of omission – decline an investment that turns out to be right. A Grahamian investor needs to find the right balance between the two – a much more meaningful decision than the sterile and potentially dangerous return/volatility trade-off prescribed by ‘efficient’ frontiers.

This is only one of the many dimensions in which Grahamian investors – which are often wrongly depicted as a homogeneous bunch – differ from one another. In fact, we come in many shapes and forms: different focus, interests, temperament, risk attitude, portfolio construction rules and, of course, experience, track records and success. But one thing unites us: we place great significance in the concept of value, as distinct from the notion of price. This sets us apart from Cynics, who believe there are only prices, and Bogleheads, who believe there is no difference between the two. I believe that this tripartite classification fills the space of mutually exclusive ‘investment philosophies’, and that all other finer distinctions can be traced back to one of the three groups.

One last point, where I thoroughly agree with Professor Damodaran. While I naturally sympathise with the Value Investing community, I share his view that it has a tendency to become rigid, ritualistic and righteous.

1. Rigid. These are what we have called ‘lazy value investors’, stuck to simplistic and restrictive rules based on current accounting measures, impervious to venturing into any consideration of future growth assets, and thus worthy of the disparaging caricature that academics, Cynics and Bogleheads make of them.

2. Ritualistic. Like Damodaran, I have made the pilgrimage to Omaha only once, to satisfy my curiosity. I have enormous admiration and respect for Warren Buffett but much less for his devotees, who hang on his every word and are incapable of any criticism, even when the oracle is evidently wrong.

3. Righteous. As embarrassingly obvious as it is, some investors need to be reminded that calling oneself a value investor is not enough to be a successful one. ‘Value always works’ does not mean that every value investor is able or entitled to make it work.

So here is my proposal to reinvent and reinvigorate Value Investing: let’s call it Grahamian Investing.

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About the author:

Massimo Fuggetta is the founder, Chairman and Chief Investment Officer of Bayes Investments.

Massimo started his investment management career in 1988 at JP Morgan Investment Management in London, where he rose to become Head of the Global Balanced Group, with responsibility for international balanced portfolios. In 1999 he left JPMIM to become Chief Investment Officer, Director General and then CEO at Sanpaolo IMI Asset Management in Milan. He left the company in 2001 to start Horatius, an investment advisory company incorporated in 2004, which in 2007 became an asset management company. He left Horatius in 2012 to go back to London, where in 2014 he founded Bayes Investments.

Massimo holds a Doctorate (DPhil, 1991) and Master’s Degree (MPhil, 1987) in Economics from the University of Oxford. He graduated in Economics at LUISS, Rome in 1984. He taught Behavioural Finance in the Master in Economics course at Bocconi University in Milan in 2000-2002 and in the same period served in the Editorial Board of the Financial Analysts Journal.

In 2012 Massimo started the Bayes blog, which has acquired popularity in the Value Investing community.

S2E3: Confidence vs. Overconfidence | Getting to “No” Quickly

September 28, 2021 in Audio, Podcast, This Week in Intelligent Investing

It’s a pleasure to share with you Season 2 Episode 3 of This Week in Intelligent Investing, co-hosted by

  • Phil Ordway of Anabatic Investment Partners in Chicago, Illinois;
  • Elliot Turner of RGA Investment Advisors in Stamford, Connecticut; and
  • John Mihaljevic of MOI Global in Zurich, Switzerland.

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In this episode, co-hosts Phil Ordway, Elliot Turner, and John Mihaljevic discuss

  • confidence vs. overconfidence; and
  • idea generation, or how to get to “no” quickly in the investment process.

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About the Podcast Co-Hosts

Philip Ordway is Managing Principal and Portfolio Manager of Anabatic Fund, L.P. Previously, Philip was a partner at Chicago Fundamental Investment Partners (CFIP). At CFIP, which he joined in 2007, Philip was responsible for investments across the capital structure in various industries. Prior to joining CFIP, Philip was an analyst in structured corporate finance with Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. from 2002 to 2005. Philip earned his B.S. in Education & Social Policy and Economics from Northwestern University in 2002 and his M.B.A. from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University in 2007, where he now serves as an Adjunct Professor in the Finance Department.

Elliot Turner is a co-founder and Managing Partner, CIO at RGA Investment Advisors, LLC. RGA Investment Advisors runs a long-term, low turnover, growth at a reasonable price investment strategy seeking out global opportunities. Elliot focuses on discovering and analyzing long-term, high quality investment opportunities and strategic portfolio management. Prior to joining RGA, Elliot managed portfolios at at AustinWeston Asset Management LLC, Chimera Securities and T3 Capital. Elliot holds the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) designation as well as a Juris Doctor from Brooklyn Law School.. He also holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Emory University where he double majored in Political Science and Philosophy.

John Mihaljevic leads MOI Global and serves as managing editor of The Manual of Ideas. He managed a private partnership, Mihaljevic Partners LP, from 2005-2016. John is a winner of the Value Investors Club’s prize for best investment idea. He is a trained capital allocator, having studied under Yale University Chief Investment Officer David Swensen and served as Research Assistant to Nobel Laureate James Tobin. John holds a BA in Economics, summa cum laude, from Yale and is a CFA charterholder.

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European Banks Might Finally Be Ready to Rise From the Ashes

September 21, 2021 in European Investing Summit, Financials, Letters

This article is authored by MOI Global instructor Stuart Mitchell, investment manager at S. W. Mitchell Capital, based in London.

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A Change in How Central Bankers Communicate Would Be Beneficial

September 21, 2021 in Commentary, European Investing Summit, Letters, Macro

This article is authored by MOI Global instructor Daniel Gladiš, director at Vltava Fund, based in the Czech Republic.

The importance of central banks extends beyond just financial markets, and recently their significance has even been increasing. But are they doing everything properly? For instance, do their projections of interest rate changes make sense?

Since 2011, the US Federal Reserve has been publishing a graph known as the “dot plot”. It shows the expectations of members of its Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) regarding the future development of interest rates (see Graph 1). Its goal is to provide financial markets with some kind of a roadmap and avoid unexpected surprises, which the market generally does not like.

Graph 1: FOMC members’ expectations regarding interest rates (source: the Fed)

With the same objective in mind, the dot plot is accompanied by additional economic projections and written materials, which often include a relatively long-term commitment to do one thing or another with regard to interest rates and other operations.

The question is whether publishing these projections and statements is a good idea or not. I think there exist two compelling reasons to stop publishing them.

The first reason is that, in my opinion, these projections paradoxically encourage market participants to take greater risks. In fact, they provide a false sense of certainty about the development of some key parameters, such as interest rates or the Fed’s purchases of financial assets. I am intentionally saying “false sense of certainty” because even the short history we have available to us in this case shows that the Fed is often wrong in its predictions.

As we know from the American economist Hyman Minsky, stability breeds instability. Indeed, an environment of real or perceived stability encourages market participants gradually to take on more and more risks, and the longer and more significant this period, the greater is the instability that follows. I think that the Fed’s projections and statements are contributing exactly to that.

It might be much better if the Fed would make no statements at all regarding its next steps. That would bring to the market a greater element of surprise or uncertainty and investors would incorporate that into their thinking. It could be expected that they would thus take on less risk in their investments, thereby reducing in part the likelihood of instability created by the previous seemingly stable environment.

Moreover, market participants would have to think more independently. They would not be influenced in their thinking by the classic psychological anchoring that the Fed is creating by its projections now. Their views would therefore be more dispersed, which is rather a good thing for the markets. When everyone thinks the same, it eventually turns out after some time that everybody was mistaken.

The second reason why the Fed should refrain from formulating its plans is that this will make it easier for the Fed to change its opinion without feeling bad about it. The capabilities attributed to central banks with regard to predicting the future and identifying and solving macroeconomic problems are generally exaggerated.

Central bankers are certainly educated and experienced people, and I would not even doubt their good intentions. Nonetheless, they are still human beings like everyone else and, as such, they logically make mistakes. They have the same data available to them as does everyone else and, of course, like everybody else, they do not know the future.

So, if the central bankers publish a long-range outlook for their actions, they are setting themselves up for trouble. It is quite inevitable that from time to time they find out they have been wrong and that a change – and sometimes even a very sudden and dramatic change – is needed.

Graph 2: Accuracy of FOMC Fed funds median rate forecasts

There exist natural inhibitions in every person’s psychology that prevent one from quickly and easily admitting his or her own mistakes. That is made even more difficult if a person has to admit one’s own mistake not only to oneself, internally, but also to do so publicly and literally in front of the whole world. This can lead to a certain inertia in thinking and a reluctance to make the change in time.

If central bankers published nothing in advance about their next planned steps, their lives would be easier and, above all, their decision-making would be freed from the elements that distort it.

Current events provide a good example of this. The Fed seems rather taken aback by the high inflation, which exceeded 5% on an annual basis over the summer and even ran at a 10% annualised rate for a while.

The Fed might even like to react, but it well knows that it has advised long in advance not only zero rates but also large purchases of government bonds and mortgages.

These are now running at a pace of USD 120 billion a month, and perhaps even the Fed finds that too much, especially given the fact that the Fed must withdraw immediately nearly USD 1 trillion of excess cash from the markets through reverse repo operations.

Thus the Fed has to take two steps: Convince itself that a change is needed, and at the same time find the courage to admit publicly that its original plans would therefore be abandoned.

In summary, I think that if central bankers (not only in the United States, but also in many other countries) stopped publishing their own projections, stopped implicitly committing themselves to certain actions long in advance, and just announced their current actions after each meeting, it could bring greater long-term stability to the financial markets and at the same time increase the very quality of central bank deliberations and decisions.

A certain parallel can be found also among publicly traded companies. My favourite ones are those presenting no future outlooks at all. Instead, they focus on their businesses and are not bound by what they have ever said. Investors then have to think more on their own, and it cannot happen that they get sucked into some stock based upon unrealistic projections from the management.

In contrast, companies that focus too much on fulfilling or even exceeding their own ambitious plans announced long in advance very often end up manipulating the numbers or even committing outright fraud.

The seemingly clear-cut stability is then replaced by a dramatic awakening. Human beings, be they corporate managers or central bankers, remain always just human beings.

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S2E2: Labor Shortages | Don’t Miss the Big Ideas in Investing

September 21, 2021 in Audio, Podcast, This Week in Intelligent Investing

It’s a pleasure to share with you Season 2 Episode 2 of This Week in Intelligent Investing, co-hosted by

  • Phil Ordway of Anabatic Investment Partners in Chicago, Illinois;
  • Elliot Turner of RGA Investment Advisors in Stamford, Connecticut; and
  • John Mihaljevic of MOI Global in Zurich, Switzerland.

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In this episode, co-hosts Elliot Turner, Phil Ordway, and John Mihaljevic

  • the prevalence of labor shortages in the US and their potential investment implications; and
  • the tendency of investors to miss the “big ideas” due to a focus on financial valuation rather than qualitative insight.

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Philip Ordway is Managing Principal and Portfolio Manager of Anabatic Fund, L.P. Previously, Philip was a partner at Chicago Fundamental Investment Partners (CFIP). At CFIP, which he joined in 2007, Philip was responsible for investments across the capital structure in various industries. Prior to joining CFIP, Philip was an analyst in structured corporate finance with Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. from 2002 to 2005. Philip earned his B.S. in Education & Social Policy and Economics from Northwestern University in 2002 and his M.B.A. from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University in 2007, where he now serves as an Adjunct Professor in the Finance Department.

Elliot Turner is a co-founder and Managing Partner, CIO at RGA Investment Advisors, LLC. RGA Investment Advisors runs a long-term, low turnover, growth at a reasonable price investment strategy seeking out global opportunities. Elliot focuses on discovering and analyzing long-term, high quality investment opportunities and strategic portfolio management. Prior to joining RGA, Elliot managed portfolios at at AustinWeston Asset Management LLC, Chimera Securities and T3 Capital. Elliot holds the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) designation as well as a Juris Doctor from Brooklyn Law School.. He also holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Emory University where he double majored in Political Science and Philosophy.

John Mihaljevic leads MOI Global and serves as managing editor of The Manual of Ideas. He managed a private partnership, Mihaljevic Partners LP, from 2005-2016. John is a winner of the Value Investors Club’s prize for best investment idea. He is a trained capital allocator, having studied under Yale University Chief Investment Officer David Swensen and served as Research Assistant to Nobel Laureate James Tobin. John holds a BA in Economics, summa cum laude, from Yale and is a CFA charterholder.

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Christian Billinger on Managing Investment Return Expectations

September 18, 2021 in Equities, Featured, Letters, Portfolio Management

This article is authored by Christian Billinger, Investor at Billinger Förvaltning, a Sweden-based, family-held investment company with no external capital.

One piece of advice from Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger is that the secret to a happy marriage is to have low expectations. So it is in investing in our experience.

In times like these, following many years of strong returns in equity markets with a sharp acceleration following the policy response to the pandemic last spring and summer, many investors adjust their expectations upwards. According to this logic, strong share price performance and higher than average valuations would indicate continued strong performance and even higher valuations. One recent survey by Natixis Investment Managers suggests retail investors now expect 14.5% annual returns in real terms over the long term. Be that as it may, our expectations are decidedly more modest.

Our ambition is to generate 8-12% returns in nominal terms over the very long run. I would like to elaborate a little on 1) how we arrive at that expectation and 2) the benefits of having any expectations at all.

A couple of caveats are in place: 1) we are not suggesting this is the only way of setting expectations; 2) we are not even suggesting this is the right way to set expectations; 3) we are saying that this is what seems to work for us, which is the key message; find your own “algorithm” and build your portfolio on that basis.

What to expect (when you’re expecting)

We would be satisfied to grow our capital at around 10% over time and have set our ambition at 8-12% in nominal returns. But why is that our expectation?

First of all, we look at what returns we would need to generate in order to reach important personal financial goals like buying a house, buying a holiday home, paying school fees and given our starting point in terms of assets etc. Over the long run, 10% would do very nicely. Of course, we would be delighted if we could generate 15% or 20% per annum but to paraphrase; the portfolio doesn’t know that we own it and quite frankly it doesn’t care. We cannot force a certain level of returns simply because we want to achieve them and I believe this is in fact a very common confusion that results in the sort of “expectations” formed by retail investors already mentioned. This is attempting to see the world as it really is as opposed to how we would like it to be.

Second, we look at what returns we think we are able to generate given our temperament, skillset, opportunity set etc. For us, as a long-term investor in high quality listed companies, the equation looks something like this (what follows is the technical section):

Total return = Dividend yield + EPS growth

or in the case of our current portfolio:

10% = 2% + 8%

Of course, there are a number of assumptions underlying this simplified interpretation e.g. that there is no significant re- or de-rating of our portfolio (although this impact becomes significantly less important as we extend our time horizon/holding period), that payout ratios remain constant etc. Also, these numbers will change over time as the environment changes, i.e., the “algorithm” needs to be dynamic and respond to market conditions. For instance, in spring of 2009 the expectation would justifiably have looked different from what it does today. As a broad rule it has merit however. It is also worth mentioning that this is broadly in line with the historical performance of our portfolio companies over very long periods of time and there is significant amounts of empirical data suggesting this is not an unreasonable expectation for most of us.

One point to note is that we are talking about the very long term. Even 8-12% seems ambitious to me in light of where we are today unless we really stretch out the timeframe. However, over very long periods of time our return should approximate that generated by the underlying businesses and in this light 10% looks like a reasonable expectation.

Why to expect (if you’re expecting)

Why, you might ask, should we form any expectation or ambition in the first place? Can we not just aim for the highest possible return? You can – but for most people I don’t think it is a very good idea. Here are some of the benefits I see of having a return “algorithm”:

A more focused research process

The really important number for us is the 8% earnings growth assumption (or whatever number you come up with). That really directs our research effort, both in terms of monitoring existing holdings and when it comes to identifying new ideas. I think of it as a searchlight or a lens through which we view the investment universe to identify ideas. For us, the ideal company tends to grow revenues by around 4-8% organically which combined with some margin expansion over time (operating leverage/mix/efficiencies etc) and below-the-line impacts tends to result in an EPS CAGR of around 8-12% (although we own companies that grow both a little less and a little more than this). This is our “sweetspot”.

Of course there are other investors who look for low/no growth traditional “value” plays and there are those who look for high growth or venture capital opportunities. All of those can be valid approaches. For us, if we can combine a number of the types of assets I have mentioned into a portfolio we believe there is a good possibility we can generate 8-12% returns as a whole. We also look at what other investors with a similar temperament and philosophy are looking for in terms of returns and all together this suggests that 8-12% is a good starting point. Hopefully one can add some value by buying or adding at attractive levels and trimming positions that have become clearly expensive — although for us this only takes place when we feel the market or individual holdings are at extremes which is very rare.

For other investors, this equation will look different but is nevertheless a good starting point when it comes to focusing ones research effort etc. It also means we can focus on simplifying our process. I remember the days of being a fresh-faced (or, at least, fresher-faced) analyst using ever more convoluted reasoning in order to justify, or “pitch”, my ideas. These days, my justification would usually be, “I think there’s a decent chance I will get around 10% earnings growth from this business over time at relatively low risk.”

Better risk management

Having a moderate (as we like to think of it) return expectation brings a few benefits in terms of risk management, including the following:

– On the asset side, we can focus on high quality assets with relatively low risk, i.e., we don’t need to “go far out on the yield curve” in terms of risk. However, please note that we are referring to operational and financial risk as opposed to variations in mark-to-market prices. If anything, the latter are to be welcomed.

– On the funding side, the 8-12% expectation means that we see no need for borrowing money or employing any other form of leverage. This brings real durability.

– We can diversify across industries, geographies etc. Of course, the biggest winners in any one period will often be investors who have been heavily invested in one or a few names that have done spectacularly well. However, so will the biggest losers. One needs to distinguish between building capital and managing capital.

– If a position moves against us (operationally and/or in terms of share price performance), it is very helpful to have a “ruler” with which to review our position. If we still believe after our review that the holding can generate returns in line with our ambition we can hold or add to our position. Investing/speculating without such a framework is fine when all is going well but will create major difficulties when things start to go wrong. There is simply nothing to anchor your views on an investment in that situation and you may act in panic.

Longer duration as an investor

Most investors focus almost exclusively on the level of returns to the exclusion of the duration of returns when discussing performance. Of course, in order to win awards and trigger bonus payments that is a perfectly rational thing to do, however for those investing their own capital the two aspects of returns need to be approached together.

I will take the liberty to make a very broad distinction between investors generating truly exceptional returns of around 30% per annum for an extended period of time, e.g., Peter Lynch at Magellan and Stan Druckenmiller at Duquesne; great returns of around 20% per annum for a very long period of time which we have seen from a small group of fund managers including famously Warren Buffett over many decades; and good but unexceptional returns of around 10%, which is what many equity markets and institutional fund managers have produced over time. What we need to consider in addition to the level of returns is for how long they can be sustained.

For most of us, based on our skills, temperament, and opportunity set, 20-30% per annum is not a realistic ambition. In addition, for most investors the physical and emotional toll of the sort of high-touch approach employed by the likes of Lynch and Druckenmiller results in burnout, etc. Buying and holding great businesses for the long run however seems to be a more sustainable pursuit for most of us. (If you need any more convincing, Druckenmiller, already well into his billions, turned down an invitation to play in the Alfred Dunhill Links because he was too busy. That’s no way to live.)

We prefer to model ourselves on the likes of Tom Gayner at Markel who has an unrelenting focus on incremental improvements sustained over very long periods of time. This also involves staying in business for long enough to allow that compounding to manifest itself. However, make no mistake; this approach really could be described by the expression “simple but not easy”. Few are able to exercise the discipline and patience required. It should also be said that Tom’s track record is truly exceptional and amounts to much more than the target we have set ourselves. Another investor in the same vein who we much admire is Tom Russo who describes his approach as that of being a “farmer rather than a hunter”.

Here are some “options” for a relatively young investor looking to grow his capital from $10 million to $100 million (or from $1 million to $10 million):

8% per annum for 30 years
10% per annum for 25 years
12% per annum for 21 years
15% per annum for 17 years
20% per annum for 13 years
30% per annum for 9 years

For any investor under the age of forty (by which point you should ideally be well into your journey of compounding capital), even “options” 1 and 2 will produce a very attractive outcome. For most of us options 5 and 6 are probably not achievable. So what? If you start young enough and truly enjoy the process, steady compounding at around 10% per annum will do very nicely. As Charlie Munger says, it is not a great tragedy if someone else is getting rich a little bit faster than you.

One aspect to consider here is structure, e.g., whether you invest through a closed-end vehicle or an open-end vehicle, what liquidity constraints you have etc. One reason we can operate with a “moderate” return expectation is that we have permanent capital. The formulation of an “algorithm” is of course more difficult if you are open to outside investors and need to market your fund; sensible expectations are unlikely to attract as much capital as more aggressive projections.

It’s easier to beat your expectations when they are low!

This perhaps sounds trite but is an important point and comes back to Charlie Munger’s relationship advice. It is much easier to have a satisfying career if you set your expectations at a reasonable level and you will be delighted if you manage to exceed the “target” return over time.

Downside protection

What I can say about our future performance (and that of almost any money manager) is that the outcome will not match our expectations. It will almost certainly not be 10% per annum It is quite possible that it will also fall outside the 8-12% range. We have no illusions when it comes to our ability to predict anything, including our own performance.

However, I would make a couple of points in this context:

1) Establishing an “algorithm” is still useful in order to direct our research efforts, manage risk, etc.

2) The uncertainty involved when it comes to future performance highlights the importance of downside protection. What I mean by this is that given uncertain outcomes, before we even consider the potential upside of an investment we need to do everything we can to “stay in the game” and preserve our capital. For us, this happens both at the company level (owning quality), at the portfolio level (diversification, balance sheet strength, etc.) and at the personal level.

3) The expectation is set at a level where even if we undershoot, we will be fine. For us, given our payout ratio, operating costs etc we need to generate returns of around 5% per annum in order to preserve our capital over time. Should we fail to exceed that level for an extended period of time we would of course need to consider all options.

Conclusion

While we tend to avoid most forms of predictions in our investment approach, we do formulate ambitions when it comes to our long-term returns. The benefits of this are numerous including a better research focus, improved risk management, increased “life expectancy” as an investor, etc.

Considering both our financial needs and the opportunities available, our ambition is in the 8-12% range over the very long term. With this as a starting point, we break down the “algorithm” to MSD to HSD organic revenue growth, ability for some margin improvement and other impacts below-the-line etc to result in long term earnings growth in line with our ambition. Of course, this won’t be the case for each individual holding in each individual year but for a well constructed portfolio it seems like a reasonable ambition overall. Most of our time is then spent trying to identify and monitor businesses which can deliver on those “targets”. While we would be delighted to generate returns well in excess of our “expectation”, we are not planning for it. It seems then that, just like when it comes to relationships, low expectations are the answer.

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S2E1: Is All News Good News? | Sound Underwriting vs. Position Management

September 14, 2021 in Audio, Podcast, This Week in Intelligent Investing

It’s a pleasure to share with you Season 2 Episode 1 of This Week in Intelligent Investing, co-hosted by

  • Phil Ordway of Anabatic Investment Partners in Chicago, Illinois;
  • Elliot Turner of RGA Investment Advisors in Stamford, Connecticut; and
  • John Mihaljevic of MOI Global in Zurich, Switzerland.

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In this episode, co-hosts Phil Ordway, Elliot Turner, and John Mihaljevic discuss

  • why all news seems to be good news in securities markets, and whether market cycles have actually been dampened or truncated or if that is an exaggeration; and
  • the distinction between sound underwriting and position management, as illustrated by Elliot’s example of Kambi Group.

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Philip Ordway is Managing Principal and Portfolio Manager of Anabatic Fund, L.P. Previously, Philip was a partner at Chicago Fundamental Investment Partners (CFIP). At CFIP, which he joined in 2007, Philip was responsible for investments across the capital structure in various industries. Prior to joining CFIP, Philip was an analyst in structured corporate finance with Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. from 2002 to 2005. Philip earned his B.S. in Education & Social Policy and Economics from Northwestern University in 2002 and his M.B.A. from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University in 2007, where he now serves as an Adjunct Professor in the Finance Department.

Elliot Turner is a co-founder and Managing Partner, CIO at RGA Investment Advisors, LLC. RGA Investment Advisors runs a long-term, low turnover, growth at a reasonable price investment strategy seeking out global opportunities. Elliot focuses on discovering and analyzing long-term, high quality investment opportunities and strategic portfolio management. Prior to joining RGA, Elliot managed portfolios at at AustinWeston Asset Management LLC, Chimera Securities and T3 Capital. Elliot holds the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) designation as well as a Juris Doctor from Brooklyn Law School.. He also holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Emory University where he double majored in Political Science and Philosophy.

John Mihaljevic leads MOI Global and serves as managing editor of The Manual of Ideas. He managed a private partnership, Mihaljevic Partners LP, from 2005-2016. John is a winner of the Value Investors Club’s prize for best investment idea. He is a trained capital allocator, having studied under Yale University Chief Investment Officer David Swensen and served as Research Assistant to Nobel Laureate James Tobin. John holds a BA in Economics, summa cum laude, from Yale and is a CFA charterholder.

The content of this podcast is not an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security in any jurisdiction. The content is distributed for informational purposes only and should not be construed as investment advice or a recommendation to sell or buy any security or other investment, or undertake any investment strategy. There are no warranties, expressed or implied, as to the accuracy, completeness, or results obtained from any information set forth on this podcast. The podcast participants and their affiliates may have positions in and may, from time to time, make purchases or sales of the securities or other investments discussed or evaluated on this podcast. [dkpdf-remove]
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